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this is James Randi and you're listening

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptics are an

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episode number 113 for the 17th of

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december 2010 Richard Saunders here with

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you from a bit of a foggy and wet and

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cold San Francisco but I love it on this

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week's Bubba episode we have many

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interviews in fact from Tam Australia

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conducted by our very own Maynard now

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may nod manages to interview dr. Carl

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Bob and jay from the skeptics guide to

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the universe dr. Reggie Joe Benna mu

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myself and a host of other people great

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extended interviews from Tom Australia

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coming right up and after that a

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fabulous wrap-up of the year from dr.

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Richie in dr. Reggie reports yes it's

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worth coming home for that one folks if

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you're out running if you're out in the

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car jogging whatever you're doing

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shopping you know a lot of people listen

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to this episode to this podcast while

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they're shopping in the supermarket

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pushing their trolleys around now if

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you're one of those people pushing your

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trolley around in an Australian

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supermarket right now head for the must

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excel yes the skeptics tone sounds a lot

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better if you're munching a musk stick

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and if you're in the United States grab

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some Skippy peanut butter [\h__\h] um

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getting back to the show we got to wrap

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up the show with a very interesting

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series of interview once again by our

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intrepid Maynard where he went along to

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a Sydney truther our protest on the

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eleventh of December outside the town

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hall where he spoke to some members or

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some people supporting the 911 so called

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911 truth movement an interesting

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insight into the way that some people

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who think that the whole 911 was

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orchestrated by the US government and

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insight into their thinking well that's

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enough for me I'm running upstairs to

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grab myself a nice cold root beer from

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the fridge while you enjoy the skeptic

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well it's now they come before the storm

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all the skeptics gathering in the lobby

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of all places the masonic center but you

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know yeah it's something's going on here

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how do you feel is there tension

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skeptical tension in there I'm excited

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I'm keen here I'm right at the door

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ready to go in I want to be one of the

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first to get the best part it's going to

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be a serious weekend of debunking a lot

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of people he very sore after this

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weekend I think getting to know each

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other and I think that will be the most

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important thing really getting to know

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the other people who are doing what

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you're doing and tell me how would you

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describe what the skeptics look like my

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perspective you use a typical we're any

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one of the few women and a few IT nerds

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they look like male IT nerd our first

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session there the opening session in the

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big skeptical weekend why'd you make

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that there we had James Randi we had all

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the big ones from the Australian

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Association there it was really lovely

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to hear them talk about historical

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things things I haven't gone going on in

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Australia in that 70s and 80s and in

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Barney's is actually really quite

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valuable for us you know doomed to make

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the same mistakes if you're not aware of

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what's gone before yeah look I just once

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like I was the only person to put their

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hand up who believed in UFOs there

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wasn't one of the five hundred people I

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put the hand up for that and no one else

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did well that you know that's how it

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and will follow what did you make it the

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stories they were telling of the

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beginning of the skeptical movement

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australia yeah no i agree that the

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finding out about the historical

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references is good particularly for the

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younger colors to the skeptical movement

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because i haven't lived through any of

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these kind of you know movements so i

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could take that free energy so how did

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you how'd you get into it how did I get

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into it um through a few science thing

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up I don't know what are your favorite

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podcast turn we got into listening to

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the s2 you to start off with got into

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since then that was pretty cool yeah and

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what are you looking forward to this

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weekend the most are you going to touch

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Thunderbird Gerry Anderson tyke lives

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that they have here at the out of UFO

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feel like I'm in a Borg ship sometimes

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he wrecks please now cool so you're a

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bit tense earlier I couldn't talk to you

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before it opened you and dr. rates you

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were looking very stressed but now it's

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actually opened how you're feeling good

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good actually we still have things to

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iron out of course as any big convention

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does but people coming out of the first

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session so they loved it there the

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second one is six sessions downstairs is

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packed out completely here look I just

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went down then you've got all the

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skeptics guide the universe guys Brian

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darling is hosting it yet but there are

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some positive aspects to it as well

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Brian's doing a great job down there and

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he's going for two hours about

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skepticism 10 whites that's fantastic

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and people just love me and the grand

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lodge is full of people will slink to

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the science-based medicine right now

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well I'm just here I just overheard some

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conversations because basically I'm an

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eavesdropper and you you were talking

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about meeting i'll look at that sir you

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have your macbook pro sign roads and all

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the roads and dr. carl and he clearly

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states that I rock wow so you have a Mac

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that's been completely ruined by text up

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no no not ruined not ruin I plan to have

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this signed by james randi it was my

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introduction to skepticism i I'd by

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chance when I was probably in about

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grade eight or nine and I just happened

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to be watching Don lane at that moment

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when he walked out and then I read a few

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thoughts and things like that like Kyle

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Satan's with it so this has to be signed

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by James Randi and and also dick smith

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and then I'm completely yes oh right now

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got this get all the people from

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skeptics guide to the universe and dr.

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Karl that aside your Mac that's really

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cool so what did you want to know about

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this

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well I'm also getting him to sign a

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nineteen eighty dick smith electronics

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catalog that is so cool and a lot of

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stuffs still in the store to probably

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look now you think did the skeptics

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guide to the universe people how do you

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imagine them and how do they end up

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looking um completely different I I list

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because I've listened to them for so

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long I I imagine them to be imagined

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Steve I guess like you're too because

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I'm you I'm using urologist like imagine

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him to be like a like those prominent

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doctors that you know very sort of tall

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you know elegant so you're you basically

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imagining the male cast of madmen or

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something were you not not so much mad

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men but um could be more greys anatomy

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okay what are you expecting some hottie

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doctors pretty much well they are pretty

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hot and i gotta say Rebecca is you know

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she's a classic rock it girl Rebecca

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definite hot chick Rebecca seriously

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just I imagined her nothing like what

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she is and what she is is is much much

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better than what I imagined what did you

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expect a geeky version of Charlie's

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Angels as I um you know what's that term

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that poor girl I could just never go

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anywhere and and she's always struggling

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The Mary Tyler Moore Show well that fits

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the description Lord could be a bit toy

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from strokes yes but a younger version

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aureus Lee a younger version obviously

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when she got engaged and then she got

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married so we followed her we followed

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it like it's um I was actually saying to

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it was fantastic Wow we felt like we

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belonged to to what was going on in

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their lives and what about other warm

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skeptical luminaries that are here like

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mr. Brian Dunning at the skipped I'd

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he's a hero not not only is he a great

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skeptic but he's also a FileMaker

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developer which I happen to be as well

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and a bit of a muse oh who is Brian

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darling do not know that yeah I think

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you're the closet music what does he

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muse oh I didn't know that or at least a

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roadie oh I should get him to sign my

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macbook as well I'll look I'm sure he'd

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love to do that and what are you looking

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forward to over the next two days

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meeting Vic Smith look now we're um now

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of course where there's white wine

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there's Brian Dunning hi Brian how are

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you actually this is not white wine this

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is a vivir wow you're drinking an

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always go for wine you see if you're the

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guy drinking wine you always look one

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step classier than the people drinking

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beer for a year i'm in australia what

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the hell well yeah look now we will have

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a full interview with brian dunning at

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some other time but Brian it's your

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first day here at the tam Australia what

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do you make of the whole thing I mean

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people have been touching you and I

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believe you have been touching people

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but not with the back of your hand

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you've been doing it the wrong way every

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go with the front of my hand oh yes I've

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been getting lots of action that's

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something else yeah i mean everyone i

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say if brian dunning have you touched

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him yes and he touched me back but I

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mean really I mean you're doing better

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than amazing Randi I you know I like it

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if you'd write it up this way because it

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gives an impression that's totally

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looked in my fantasy so a lot of people

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have said that I've built this sort of

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celebrity thing around you by by

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starting rumors on the skeptics earned

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about your hot tub and your drinking

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habits and you carry on everything it's

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given you a bit of a Freddie Mercury

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quality you know that's always what I've

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life yeah the hot tub by the way I want

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to say that's a rumor gets

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unsubstantiated oh hey if you haven't

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been there in person it's a rumor it's a

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bit like but most of the cars to the

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skeptics don't have you know I think it

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would be improper to comment on that ok

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now look there's some people excuse me

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I'm do you want to touch brian dunning

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do you know now I'm now when we think of

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brian dunning what do you think of well

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everyone knows what you think of the I'm

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Brian Johnny's get droid com what do you

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make of the rumors of the hot tub well

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you know you've got to have a hot tub to

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get people talking that's how you get

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all the secrets out of people really

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gets you know you get alcohol and the

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hot tub heats them up and it makes the

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blood prove their body faster which gets

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the alcohol into their very faster well

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that's what you need the hot tub for

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this is great see Brian etsy see the hot

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tub room is aren't hurting your

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reputation at all I I guess not you know

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the hot tubs open come on over well let

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you guys have a chat here and we will

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have a full interview with brian and the

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photos tomorrow oh all right i want to

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see the photos we hear in the crush the

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smell of cheap free white one is in the

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air and of course one of the people at

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the conference is powered powered down

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what brings you to a skeptics conference

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I listen to a lot of sweat sketchy Co Co

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podcasts including the skeptic zone and

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I really enjoy them oh that's good now

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what was the first one you started with

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was that skeptics guide to the universe

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was it an Australian one was it's kept

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dying I think my first one were so

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skeptic so next

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and then I got into the others bride

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darlings and into the skeptics guide to

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the universe all right now one what's

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your particular bent on skepticism I've

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been asking people if everybody has the

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thing that they're a bit of a specialist

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with so if you're at a party and someone

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brings up a topic and you go I hang all

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night sound quite right would that be

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astrology would it be anti-vaccination

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would it be some sort of political

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conspiracy what's your specialty I

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dislike the medical anything medical so

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empty vaccination or you know exploiting

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people and got cancer or something like

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that they the ones who really love Mia

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and it is that mainly because you know

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there's actually lives at stake yeah and

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a long-term mine when I was growing up

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she was exploited when she was dying of

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cancer and somebody got into her and she

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spent end up selling the house and

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everything to finance a clock treatment

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and learned all that very hard on woods

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and if you've worked out the way to get

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the subtle balance between the intensity

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of your feelings about it and not

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insulting people but because that's a

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tough one when you when you when you

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feel so strongly about something not

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coming across as a quack even though you

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may have evidence on your side no I find

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that really hard it happened the other

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day a friend was treating the child

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using chiropractic for an N sistema skin

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rash and no i didn't really know how to

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talk about i find i really difficult to

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well now of course at Antony well

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catered party it's not a real party

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until the drinks Trey Zlin spilt that's

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what you heard in the background there

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it's either that or one of James Randy's

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earrings hitting the floor I'm not quite

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sure excuse me Richard was that one of

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James around his earrings hitting the

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floor it was somebody being Chris Paul

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and I think well you have a great time

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and what do you expect you to get out of

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the next two days here at a damn

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straight I'm really just hoping to enjoy

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myself more than anything else and I am

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so far it's been great I'm gracelynn

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enjoy a certain thank you well legend

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gentleman we are at tam australia and

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dr. karl is just over there in a great

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shirt just doing an interview with some

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people who asked him much better

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questions i'm about to and he's running

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around which is usually the way most

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interview start with me that people

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start as far away as from possible and

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eventually they get closer to me like it

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has now dr. Cullen haven't got much time

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you got to race off ah good morning dr.

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Maynard I'm going to reach across and

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get this glass of water because I've

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been talking and the audience will

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probably hear you say if I don't have

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this glass of water OG dr. Carl could

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probably talk well but jeez got bad

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breath because I've been talking for now

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my mouth is dried out so I'm now gonna

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have the water okay you have that now

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now then what is was what was it like

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addressing a group of skeptics in the

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trade we call it a telephone book

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audience you'd sit there and you could

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read the people's names and phone

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numbers have the fumble brown Arthur

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Brown Alan I hear that the order to go

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wow he read to brown oh my god he's

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fantastic as long as you did it on every

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third or fifth thing if you did on the

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fourth thing they wouldn't realize it

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was a joke enough that's right so though

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a great audience really sympathetic hard

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to go wrong with them I loved in pieces

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and they love me and I love them look

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I've got two things to ask you about

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your amazing talk you gave in there but

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before we get that what do you think is

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the big challenge facing skepticism

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particularly in Australia because

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sometimes skeptics have the attitude of

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being a bit no at all an uppity and I've

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actually encountered where people think

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they're almost cranks even though

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they've got evidence on their side

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people think all their smart asses with

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agendas sometimes I get that from people

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well how do you overcome that ah I'll

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saying you catch more flies with honey

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with vinegar so there's an art to

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dealing with people which is necessary

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when you get a spouse friend partner

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beloved whatever and you can approach

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things nicely or not nicely so what I do

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is try to find what we agree on and then

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find out why we agree on those things

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and then just keep on expanding our

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circle of the things we agree on until

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finally comes with something we disagree

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on then try and work out why do it

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slowly without and you never insult

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anybody well well it's just a quick play

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act here with everything like let's say

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we're talking about vaccinations and

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i'll go but but why are they inoculating

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babies with Hep B when they're born

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there's no reason for that and from your

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souls mercury why would you put mercury

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into a baby okay well you've discussed

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two issues which one you want to do

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first the hippie or the mercury well

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when people do when people had this

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issue there they normally throw a few

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issues at one day that normally give you

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one question yeah well you absolutely

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right what they do is a shotgun approach

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because the technical term in

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psychiatric terms is they have pressure

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of urgency so you get these enormously

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long sentences in which they throw it

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every thought they've gotten a few

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they're not related and so very hard

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very hard to combat there you go one a

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time you back off sit down and have a

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cup of tea let's have a beer now we want

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to talk about mercury okay now if I

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Marisol is a form of mercury that is not

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soluble in the human body and the amount

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that is present in the vaccines is less

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than you'd get from having seafood oh ok

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but what happen what will but then you

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getting back that up with peer-reviewed

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papers and in my case I have a computer

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normally near me and I read ten thousand

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dollars with a scientific literature

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every year and I read them on paper but

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I save them as pdfs so every now and

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then I have to buy a bigger hard drive

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just bought a 750 gig 7200 RPM hard

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drive because I'm running out of room on

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the 500e because I lay down about one

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and a half two gigs of PDFs every month

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and so I say well this what about Samira

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so here's a peer-reviewed paper not from

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new idea or the woman's weekly but it's

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from the Journal of blah blah blah now

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see what it says here and then I said

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but I offered something else differently

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ok what is with what you read was it

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from a peer-reviewed journal or was it

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just some person scribbling it takes a

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color on the toilet

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while they're drunk and then we sort of

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work our way trying to achieve a common

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ground look I know you in a hurry here

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and look I tried to do this by going to

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pubmed myself where the medical

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publications have published and i'm and

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i was reading these things and i didn't

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understand them and a normal person

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going to where you would go for your

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literature could quite easily get

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confused ah what that's right ok you

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start off with the universe being in

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complete fog and then as you begin to

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understand the universe little lights

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light up one way that the lights like I

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bet a little lights of knowledge is if

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you force yourself to turn them into a

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story and so I've been writing stories

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all over the place on written 30 books

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and so there's all these hundreds and

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hundreds thousands of stories are all

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relating to different parts of the

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universe around us the medical the

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engineering the astronomical the marine

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biology and they all interlace they they

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all tie together at some deeper level

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and so I've already read the article I

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know where I've got it 5 i'm not looking

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on the web I've already when I read the

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article downloaded it in a folder on my

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machine and it's stored and I know the

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end of highlighted exactly where I want

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so I can go straight to it and not waste

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their time and then I sit back and I

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said okay now your turn okay and what

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quickly what is the answer to why

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newborn babies given hep b vaccinations

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because i would imagine that that's not

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something they would be exposed to me

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really number one I don't know number

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two they might be trying herd immunity

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herd immunity is where you vaccinate the

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herd of humans so that if the Hep B

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virus is present in a human it die well

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it doesn't get onto a human to then get

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on to the baby so in other words if the

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Hep B virus lands on a person the immune

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system will deal with it and kill it and

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they cannot transmit it to a person I

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think it might be the herd immunity

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concept I'm not sure having on expert in

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that area oh look okay look two

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questions out I were raised by but um

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the lieutenant Charles Taylor was a

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drunk he was in Charles Taylor in the

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story of the Bermuda Triangle was drunk

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now i'm leon you on the day he wanted

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himself excused from service because but

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I didn't know it was pierced well they

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have a saying 24 hours between throttle

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and you just need to have all of your

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attention about you can't afford to be

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running anything less than hundred

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percent when you're flying they were

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plainclothes things can go bad very

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quickly and it was just a simple case

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our flying the wrong way in if you

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listen to the if you read the

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transcripts of the radio messages it was

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00:21:00,739 --> 00:20:57,089
perfectly clear that the base stations

537
00:21:03,289 --> 00:21:00,749
on land were saying you're flying the

538
00:21:04,639 --> 00:21:03,299
wrong way turn around and head and

539
00:21:06,049 --> 00:21:04,649
Charles how I was saying no no we're not

540
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:06,059
we're doing and some of the students

541
00:21:08,749 --> 00:21:07,440
even knew they were going the wrong way

542
00:21:11,239 --> 00:21:08,759
but because they didn't want to

543
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:11,249
contradict him he was the boss in fact

544
00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:12,690
that's why we find many Asian airlines

545
00:21:18,919 --> 00:21:15,960
on that contradiction thing they do not

546
00:21:20,329 --> 00:21:18,929
have a pair of Asian pilots will they

547
00:21:22,219 --> 00:21:20,339
have an Asian pilot and a westerner

548
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:22,229
because there's a respect for authority

549
00:21:26,539 --> 00:21:24,450
and the copilot won't override no matter

550
00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:26,549
what if it's Australia say oh come on

551
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:28,200
mate and another thing i have to point

552
00:21:30,979 --> 00:21:29,369
out no don't know if you ever notice

553
00:21:32,509 --> 00:21:30,989
this is the famous kennedy speech will

554
00:21:34,009 --> 00:21:32,519
go to the moon yeah look in the

555
00:21:38,109 --> 00:21:34,019
background to the right there's vice

556
00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:38,119
president johnson board off his ass yes

557
00:21:42,019 --> 00:21:40,769
he was not a man of vision no he wasn't

558
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:42,029
falling asleep i think it was actually

559
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:43,440
writing some he was doing a crossword

560
00:21:50,060 --> 00:21:47,039
puzzle he can be had a vision he'd

561
00:21:51,769 --> 00:21:50,070
rather than saying we want to have the

562
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,779
carbon price this and we want to build

563
00:21:54,739 --> 00:21:53,039
this road we want to build this rocket

564
00:21:57,739 --> 00:21:54,749
he was saying we want to go to the moon

565
00:22:00,499 --> 00:21:57,749
he pointed it if any politician stands

566
00:22:01,969 --> 00:22:00,509
up and says I have a ten-year plan under

567
00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:01,979
which Australia will be totally

568
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,289
self-sufficient for green electricity in

569
00:22:10,669 --> 00:22:06,960
10 years I'll vote for them and what

570
00:22:13,609 --> 00:22:10,679
happened to Kennedy and it hasn't killed

571
00:22:16,129 --> 00:22:13,619
it hmm well yeah it does it has been

572
00:22:17,899 --> 00:22:16,139
bold probably towards the Mafia might

573
00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:17,909
not be the best thing to be doing in

574
00:22:20,899 --> 00:22:19,769
other areas of life okay conspiracy

575
00:22:22,639 --> 00:22:20,909
theories about science are easy to

576
00:22:24,169 --> 00:22:22,649
debunk political the ones are harder to

577
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:24,179
debug because you never get to the real

578
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:26,369
truth or it takes years to come through

579
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:30,559
for example why do you think America has

580
00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:34,290
a base in Cuba

581
00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:36,430
isn't it a bit that they got during the

582
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:39,160
war would Spain yeah and how did so

583
00:22:43,410 --> 00:22:41,050
little me of the straight so America

584
00:22:45,210 --> 00:22:43,420
which hates Cuba actually owns a bit of

585
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:45,220
Cuba and the reason they own is because

586
00:22:50,820 --> 00:22:47,290
the really good bay and the way they got

587
00:22:53,250 --> 00:22:50,830
it was that the USS Maine blew up the

588
00:22:55,620 --> 00:22:53,260
ship blew up in the harbor Havana Harbor

589
00:22:57,870 --> 00:22:55,630
and they said are these evil Cuban space

590
00:22:59,250 --> 00:22:57,880
Spanish didn't say if it will invade

591
00:23:01,710 --> 00:22:59,260
them and then we'll take this Harbor and

592
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:01,720
the captain who survived said no it's a

593
00:23:05,460 --> 00:23:03,370
battery design ship because the magazine

594
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:05,470
where when explosives were is right next

595
00:23:14,010 --> 00:23:10,450
to the boiler room and last year they

596
00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:14,020
went down and they found by a new ship

597
00:23:17,580 --> 00:23:16,030
that is in fact what it happened also I

598
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:17,590
believe it sold a lot of newspapers at

599
00:23:21,090 --> 00:23:18,850
the time yeah the point is it was a

600
00:23:24,090 --> 00:23:21,100
conspiracy theory because the Hearst

601
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:24,100
pressed didn't micro Spaniards and

602
00:23:27,150 --> 00:23:26,110
wanted to expand the American influence

603
00:23:28,590 --> 00:23:27,160
around the world which of course

604
00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:28,600
Australia would like to do and even New

605
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:30,310
Zealand or god help us Tasmania if it

606
00:23:34,170 --> 00:23:32,650
ever gets independence and what is your

607
00:23:35,610 --> 00:23:34,180
favorite woo you like to combat I've

608
00:23:37,290 --> 00:23:35,620
been asking everyone here last question

609
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:37,300
it runs got their thing that they go

610
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:39,490
sometimes it's horoscopes it's sometimes

611
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:40,720
it's anti-vaccination what's the one

612
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:42,010
thing that really rings your bell rings

613
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:43,450
your bell and you have to stand up for

614
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:46,690
whenever you see it vaccination because

615
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:48,730
they kill babies there's nothing like

616
00:23:54,930 --> 00:23:51,730
seeing a baby die in front of your two

617
00:23:56,550 --> 00:23:54,940
o'clock in the morning to realize and

618
00:23:58,890 --> 00:23:56,560
it's the first baby did from whooping

619
00:24:01,440 --> 00:23:58,900
cough in 20 years to realize that the

620
00:24:06,570 --> 00:24:01,450
anti-vaccination people are doing a bad

621
00:24:11,260 --> 00:24:09,549
now one person we haven't heard from so

622
00:24:13,539 --> 00:24:11,270
far and the day's almost over on the

623
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,549
first date is dr. AG hope dr. AG hi dr.

624
00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:15,200
Maynard hey look it's been pretty

625
00:24:18,370 --> 00:24:16,910
special I've got so much content from so

626
00:24:20,890 --> 00:24:18,380
many people are having a good time here

627
00:24:22,210 --> 00:24:20,900
and I've even found a few at no agenda

628
00:24:24,580 --> 00:24:22,220
shirtlessness that have come up to me I

629
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:24,590
know in fact I met one last night as

630
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:26,330
skeptics in the pub he was going to go

631
00:24:30,490 --> 00:24:28,010
up to you and say in the morning yes

632
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:30,500
yeah I've had a few people do that and I

633
00:24:33,310 --> 00:24:31,970
was only just outside but a few skeptics

634
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:33,320
said talking about the Kennedy

635
00:24:37,659 --> 00:24:36,080
conspiracy oh yeah okay think right now

636
00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:37,669
and also everyone's wondering why are

637
00:24:46,450 --> 00:24:39,950
you having a skeptics meeting in the

638
00:24:47,770 --> 00:24:46,460
Masonic Temple to be ironical I don't

639
00:24:49,390 --> 00:24:47,780
know well just show you the truth

640
00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:49,400
because it's a really nice venue I mean

641
00:24:52,990 --> 00:24:51,230
obviously our listeners can't see it but

642
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:53,000
it's really quite a spectacular room

643
00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:54,530
isn't it and and I don't know what the

644
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:55,820
Masonic Temple is all about but there's

645
00:25:00,370 --> 00:24:57,919
a big G hanging over the middle of the

646
00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:00,380
floor which I think stands for the

647
00:25:05,169 --> 00:25:03,470
Charlie Brown saying good grief or good

648
00:25:06,580 --> 00:25:05,179
gravy i think it's dental it's been

649
00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:06,590
brought up several times today

650
00:25:10,690 --> 00:25:08,390
throughout the conference why is there G

651
00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:10,700
a silver G hanging from the ceiling I

652
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:14,510
think Paul Willis suggested it was the

653
00:25:18,730 --> 00:25:17,210
hand of God or something somebody

654
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:18,740
tweeted something else which I didn't

655
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:20,330
actually read so there's been a few

656
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:22,010
theories floating around yeah I don't

657
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:24,410
know I thought like Dita Von Teese might

658
00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:25,730
come out and do a bit of like you know

659
00:25:28,750 --> 00:25:27,230
like it's a champagne glass it's a

660
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:28,760
really big G you could do a burlesque

661
00:25:32,409 --> 00:25:30,710
show with it you could do a burlesque

662
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,419
show you could get up there with some

663
00:25:36,430 --> 00:25:34,400
feathers and not many clothes and swing

664
00:25:38,289 --> 00:25:36,440
around so here you don't get much

665
00:25:39,340 --> 00:25:38,299
skeptic burlesque action do you really

666
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:39,350
well you don't know what we've got

667
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:42,110
planned Maynard it's only day one I mean

668
00:25:46,180 --> 00:25:43,760
how good do you look in a burlesque

669
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:46,190
outfit I'm hot now what's been your

670
00:25:52,180 --> 00:25:50,080
favorite thing today oh you know I think

671
00:25:53,740 --> 00:25:52,190
somebody tweeted at one point that

672
00:25:56,350 --> 00:25:53,750
coming up soon and the amazing meeting

673
00:25:58,270 --> 00:25:56,360
dr. Karl takes a breath he did an

674
00:25:59,890 --> 00:25:58,280
hour-long show with Harvey taking a

675
00:26:02,500 --> 00:25:59,900
breath he was amazing and running up and

676
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:02,510
down and I mean I've seen him before but

677
00:26:06,530 --> 00:26:03,900
he went down so

678
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:06,540
all today he was fantastic look I spoke

679
00:26:09,670 --> 00:26:07,770
to him earlier and you probably heard

680
00:26:12,730 --> 00:26:09,680
the interview earlier folks and I

681
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:12,740
basically I role played with him about

682
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:15,690
vaccinations so I said and and I did a

683
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:17,730
bit of a is it called Gish galloping

684
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:18,810
when you throw a lots of things together

685
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:21,810
that's correct yes so I threw at him I

686
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:24,450
said so yeah that they give the newborn

687
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:27,810
babies the vitamin A vitamin B and hit b

688
00:26:31,460 --> 00:26:29,910
vaccinations and thimerosal kills

689
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,470
children and what do you reckon and

690
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:33,120
there's like three issues and goes well

691
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,770
first you pull the ed did it really well

692
00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:36,720
really yeah yeah I haven't heard that

693
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:38,670
did you audio be that or something no no

694
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:41,850
I will audioboo it yeah yeah but look um

695
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,650
I found it very moving then dr. Carl

696
00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:46,080
said he was there when the first child

697
00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:47,940
to die of whooping cough in 30 years

698
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:50,220
died in front of him in hospital that

699
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:52,530
was very moving you know I've spoken to

700
00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:55,050
him East quite a lot about why he's a

701
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:56,340
science communicator because you know

702
00:26:59,930 --> 00:26:58,170
it's got a hundred degrees need is a

703
00:27:02,030 --> 00:26:59,940
physicist and he's worked in medicine

704
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:02,040
and surgery and and he I don't know if

705
00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:03,240
you mentioned this today during his

706
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:05,310
lecture but he decided to become a

707
00:27:09,530 --> 00:27:06,900
science communicator so he could go and

708
00:27:11,060 --> 00:27:09,540
tell people what damage whooping cough

709
00:27:13,130 --> 00:27:11,070
can do and other communicable diseases

710
00:27:15,290 --> 00:27:13,140
and why you should vaccinate because he

711
00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:15,300
felt like he was not able to do that as

712
00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:17,910
effectively from a hospital setting so

713
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:19,320
that's what really convinced him to go

714
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:21,450
and tell people about what science is

715
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:24,360
about honey doesn't so well may not look

716
00:27:27,860 --> 00:27:25,740
dr. Rocha I'll just come back to this

717
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:27,870
when I went and saw the the

718
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:29,370
anti-vaccination film that time then

719
00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:31,860
people were talking about information

720
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:33,270
that I didn't know anything about as a

721
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:35,700
layman and even as a skeptic it's very

722
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:37,170
hard to stand up because I mean even you

723
00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:39,450
with with you your medical training it's

724
00:27:42,490 --> 00:27:41,190
really hard to stand up to a group of

725
00:27:45,860 --> 00:27:42,500
lame in and tell them they're wrong

726
00:27:47,420 --> 00:27:45,870
correctly sometimes well first of all

727
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:47,430
it's hard to tell them correctly on the

728
00:27:51,290 --> 00:27:49,170
spot because as you mentioned before

729
00:27:53,420 --> 00:27:51,300
there's the quiche gallop thing so you

730
00:27:54,620 --> 00:27:53,430
could stand up and give them a whole lot

731
00:27:56,270 --> 00:27:54,630
of evidence and they'll just come back

732
00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:56,280
and say but what about these business

733
00:28:00,890 --> 00:27:58,110
and there's no way that I mean you've

734
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:00,900
probably heard the saying may not well

735
00:28:04,790 --> 00:28:02,970
al I can go around the world six times

736
00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:04,800
while truth is still putting on its

737
00:28:07,710 --> 00:28:05,470
pants

738
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,720
so if you make stuff up you can say

739
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:09,600
whatever and you can put out anything

740
00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:13,840
but also with with people that you were

741
00:28:16,919 --> 00:28:15,640
talking about that the true believers

742
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:16,929
and they're not going to change their

743
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:19,210
mind no matter what you tell them now

744
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:20,559
those funny noises you can hear in the

745
00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:22,690
background coming from Brian Dunning's

746
00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:24,460
pants they are coming from friend alex

747
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:26,590
katz i'm not quite sure what he's got in

748
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:29,049
his pants that's interesting pants noise

749
00:28:32,490 --> 00:28:30,970
yeah I think he'll be up doing the

750
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:32,500
burlesque a fairly soon more talk you

751
00:28:40,049 --> 00:28:37,809
later dr. a cheap goodbye may not well

752
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:40,059
all the big names of skepticism are here

753
00:28:44,730 --> 00:28:42,690
who we got here I'm Jessica singer and

754
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:44,740
Jessica you've got yourself a nice

755
00:28:48,930 --> 00:28:47,110
skeptics haircut for the weekend do I

756
00:28:50,940 --> 00:28:48,940
want no it looks like you've had it done

757
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,950
it looks nice Oh actually that is quite

758
00:28:54,899 --> 00:28:53,200
true I had my hair done a week ago yes

759
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:54,909
specially for the convention I know

760
00:28:58,649 --> 00:28:56,650
because it well a lot of people here are

761
00:29:00,480 --> 00:28:58,659
they come from all over I mean there are

762
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:00,490
people who look after themselves like

763
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,750
yourself and there's people like me who

764
00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:02,799
couldn't give a rat's it turned up

765
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:05,590
everyone's here oh absolutely it's a

766
00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:08,130
real good mix of people the the

767
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:11,950
well-groomed and the not so well ground

768
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,530
now you know skepticism over a couple of

769
00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:16,720
generations is there something you can

770
00:29:19,710 --> 00:29:18,400
see in the really young and there's a

771
00:29:20,730 --> 00:29:19,720
couple teenagers is there something you

772
00:29:24,770 --> 00:29:20,740
can see and then that's a little bit

773
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:24,780
different and yes the use of technology

774
00:29:30,940 --> 00:29:28,240
somebody was was describing it to to me

775
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:34,659
as being you're either a technology

776
00:29:41,169 --> 00:29:38,330
immigrant like myself I did I was not

777
00:29:43,389 --> 00:29:41,179
born with it I've come to it it's been

778
00:29:44,590 --> 00:29:43,399
introduced since I was an adult and then

779
00:29:46,350 --> 00:29:44,600
there were there's the generation who

780
00:29:51,870 --> 00:29:46,360
have been born into this technology and

781
00:29:55,470 --> 00:29:51,880
they use it just as second nature and

782
00:29:57,639 --> 00:29:55,480
it's making such a difference to who

783
00:29:59,799 --> 00:29:57,649
skepticism and keeping in touch and

784
00:30:03,000 --> 00:29:59,809
skeptical activism I've just been in the

785
00:30:05,289 --> 00:30:03,010
skeptical activism workshop and the

786
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:05,299
thing that kept getting mentioned or

787
00:30:11,019 --> 00:30:07,850
twitter twitter twitter twitter all the

788
00:30:13,019 --> 00:30:11,029
time then Richard Saunders our vice

789
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:13,029
president one of the organizers was

790
00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:16,610
looking on his little iPhone and he

791
00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:20,870
found that Tamar's is the at that time

792
00:30:26,019 --> 00:30:22,630
that we're in the workshop was the

793
00:30:28,810 --> 00:30:26,029
second-most tweeted event in Australia

794
00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:28,820
happening right now and that's just so

795
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:31,340
exciting

796
00:30:37,540 --> 00:30:34,850
well Joe as a as a registered nurse here

797
00:30:38,770 --> 00:30:37,550
at the skeptics meeting a big weekend

798
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,780
we're still only on the first day I was

799
00:30:42,130 --> 00:30:40,880
spoken to so many people already what is

800
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:42,140
looking forward to the most this weekend

801
00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:44,210
you're giving a talk I would expect I'm

802
00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:46,070
not giving a talk i'm going to be on the

803
00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:48,440
science-based medicine panel on saturday

804
00:30:55,030 --> 00:30:51,070
which doctor Ricci's moderating and

805
00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:55,040
that's a Steven novella and in Harris so

806
00:30:57,130 --> 00:30:56,270
I'm really looking forward to that it's

807
00:31:00,190 --> 00:30:57,140
going to be the first time I've ever

808
00:31:02,290 --> 00:31:00,200
been on a panel so I'm quite excited and

809
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:02,300
and i'll be doing the skeptic zone live

810
00:31:06,670 --> 00:31:04,970
on sunday that's pretty special and I'm

811
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,680
actually doing the intro for you guys as

812
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:08,960
well I believe you are leave yeah i'll

813
00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:10,490
be doing it james brown style you know

814
00:31:14,380 --> 00:31:12,380
like i might just get this really long

815
00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:14,390
list of things you guys have done and

816
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:16,430
just get it down i have to tell you may

817
00:31:22,540 --> 00:31:18,770
not I saw your tweet earlier and I've

818
00:31:25,210 --> 00:31:22,550
now got k at the klf running through my

819
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:25,220
head at a steady pace look look just for

820
00:31:28,750 --> 00:31:27,050
the listener I was in there with a bunch

821
00:31:30,970 --> 00:31:28,760
of skeptics about 500 and they were

822
00:31:33,130 --> 00:31:30,980
going ok who believes in angels who

823
00:31:34,750 --> 00:31:33,140
believes in UFOs I put my hand up no one

824
00:31:36,460 --> 00:31:34,760
else did I've got some funny looks you

825
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:36,470
know who believes in Arthur hang on I do

826
00:31:41,650 --> 00:31:38,930
believe in mystical beings I believe in

827
00:31:46,150 --> 00:31:41,660
the justified ancients of mu mu and um

828
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:46,160
yeah I I thought I saw said said tweet

829
00:31:49,570 --> 00:31:48,170
from a nod and now I've had the UM kale

830
00:31:51,820 --> 00:31:49,580
if so I'm running through my head for

831
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:51,830
the last hour because they drive an ice

832
00:31:58,750 --> 00:31:55,610
cream van and who is the relic that they

833
00:32:01,270 --> 00:31:58,760
dragged out for that song about that

834
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:01,280
country singer I'm going at anyone and

835
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:07,780
well although I'm not all just near I'll

836
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:09,530
just kneel heavy look I'm at the

837
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:11,330
skeptics guide to unit the universe

838
00:32:16,750 --> 00:32:13,730
which jump oddly enough I'm I was a no

839
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,760
agenda podcast fan and then this was

840
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:18,320
recommended to me so between the no

841
00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:20,000
agenda show podcast which has got your

842
00:32:23,950 --> 00:32:22,190
crackpot stuff and you guys I know

843
00:32:27,010 --> 00:32:23,960
everything and he'll we got here barb

844
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:27,020
novella and this is jay now which is the

845
00:32:31,270 --> 00:32:29,510
one that does Leonardo DaVinci at the

846
00:32:33,789 --> 00:32:31,280
end of the show is at you that's me yeah

847
00:32:35,289 --> 00:32:33,799
okay and how did that come about it's

848
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:35,299
like you want to be a stadium announcer

849
00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:38,210
but you're on a podcast it basically we

850
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:41,720
we interviewed Bill Nye and Bill hiya it

851
00:32:46,539 --> 00:32:44,090
was one of my heroes and he actually was

852
00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:46,549
a student of Carl Sagan a lot of people

853
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:48,950
don't know that is a fascinating and you

854
00:32:53,260 --> 00:32:51,290
guys painted the picture of being in a

855
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:53,270
class being taught by carl sagan and

856
00:32:57,220 --> 00:32:55,130
there wouldn't be many in a class were

857
00:32:58,539 --> 00:32:57,230
there I don't think so yeah I think I'm

858
00:32:59,980 --> 00:32:58,549
the one that said that on the show and I

859
00:33:02,080 --> 00:32:59,990
said something like you know for that

860
00:33:04,090 --> 00:33:02,090
level of class i'm sure that carl sagan

861
00:33:06,340 --> 00:33:04,100
wasn't teaching an auditorium i'm sure

862
00:33:07,630 --> 00:33:06,350
it was a more intimate and i was talking

863
00:33:09,580 --> 00:33:07,640
about how you know could you imagine

864
00:33:11,409 --> 00:33:09,590
being in a room and getting that close

865
00:33:13,330 --> 00:33:11,419
to him and you know being able to ask

866
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,340
direct questions and carl sagan getting

867
00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:14,720
to know you and everything so I was

868
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:17,480
really really loving the interview with

869
00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:19,970
Bill Nye and I and he does this thing

870
00:33:23,950 --> 00:33:22,070
where he goes we're going to change the

871
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:23,960
world you know that's one of his key

872
00:33:29,470 --> 00:33:25,490
statements and I thought ok I love that

873
00:33:31,630 --> 00:33:29,480
so much so then when I started to do the

874
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:31,640
quotes for the show I thought well all

875
00:33:35,289 --> 00:33:33,770
these people like ninety-nine percent of

876
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:35,299
the quotes I picker people who are

877
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:37,250
making statements about changing the

878
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,049
world are making some type of profound

879
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:41,120
statement so that that was like my way

880
00:33:44,350 --> 00:33:42,799
of honoring them saying okay I'm gonna

881
00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:44,360
yell him out like Bill Nye yell does his

882
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:46,790
yell out and that's basically where it

883
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,290
came from but if you listen over like 20

884
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:50,480
episodes it evolved from you know kind

885
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:53,690
of subtle to like over the top now could

886
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:56,720
you do one now I'll just pick a pic name

887
00:34:01,510 --> 00:33:58,610
it ran a weed out Yankovic could you do

888
00:34:03,970 --> 00:34:01,520
it we don't give it a truly weird al

889
00:34:06,130 --> 00:34:03,980
yankovic that's fantastic because he's

890
00:34:08,109 --> 00:34:06,140
changing the world and now look everyone

891
00:34:09,399 --> 00:34:08,119
has their own little bit of whoo and

892
00:34:10,990 --> 00:34:09,409
I've been talking to them that is there

893
00:34:12,609 --> 00:34:11,000
they're bugbear for some people it's

894
00:34:14,619 --> 00:34:12,619
power balance bands for other people

895
00:34:16,090 --> 00:34:14,629
it's angels it's religion what's the

896
00:34:16,370 --> 00:34:16,100
thing that annoys you most when it comes

897
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:16,380
out

898
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:17,700
you just can't help jumping at it

899
00:34:22,850 --> 00:34:19,890
there's this two sides of the coin for

900
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,860
that for me for me when when people

901
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:25,200
abuse quantum mechanics to support their

902
00:34:29,180 --> 00:34:27,240
own version of Wu that kind of gets to

903
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:29,190
me because they feel that well you know

904
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:30,810
quantum mechanics is science but it's

905
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:33,540
incredibly counterintuitive so because

906
00:34:36,380 --> 00:34:35,190
this bit of science which is very

907
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:36,390
successful and very counterintuitive

908
00:34:41,330 --> 00:34:39,090
therefore you know their little brand of

909
00:34:43,370 --> 00:34:41,340
Wu can also be counterintuitive and not

910
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:43,380
make much scientific sense and trying to

911
00:34:46,910 --> 00:34:45,060
to make it seem legitimate so that kind

912
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:46,920
of gets to me but but but if I have to

913
00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:48,450
really pick one it the alternative

914
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:50,460
medicine one that that's really the

915
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:52,170
worst because people are literally dying

916
00:34:56,780 --> 00:34:54,930
because of that brand of Wu so those two

917
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,790
are my two big ones that it really

918
00:35:01,100 --> 00:34:59,040
really just really gets to me do you

919
00:35:02,660 --> 00:35:01,110
think that will ever conquer the

920
00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:02,670
uncertainty principle do you think like

921
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:04,230
we will know where everything is at one

922
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,690
time I know it's just a fundamental

923
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:08,400
aspect of nature that that's how nature

924
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:10,170
reveals itself to us there's no way

925
00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:12,660
around it is just in a million years no

926
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:14,580
matter how advanced we are that's always

927
00:35:18,830 --> 00:35:16,710
going to be a limitation I believe look

928
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:18,840
I was trying to understand on your show

929
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:21,060
once the theory of quantum entanglement

930
00:35:27,860 --> 00:35:26,220
and that made my brain hurt ah quantum

931
00:35:30,110 --> 00:35:27,870
entanglement describes a situation where

932
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:30,120
you've got two particles that are

933
00:35:34,850 --> 00:35:32,310
entangled or associated in such a way

934
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:34,860
that one wave function describes both of

935
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:37,800
them so they're there they're associated

936
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:39,540
in such a way that no matter how far

937
00:35:44,060 --> 00:35:41,490
apart they are they still share this

938
00:35:46,610 --> 00:35:44,070
aspect of being one thing so that a

939
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:46,620
change to one if you observe one

940
00:35:51,110 --> 00:35:49,290
particle here it's it's entangled

941
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:51,120
partner even a millions of light-years

942
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:54,330
away would also be would be changed to

943
00:35:58,420 --> 00:35:56,130
uh to match and it has to be

944
00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:58,430
complementary so if one say has a up

945
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:01,140
spin down this one would have to be spin

946
00:36:04,850 --> 00:36:03,210
up and if they're there associated in

947
00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:04,860
such a way that distance is irrelevant

948
00:36:08,780 --> 00:36:07,470
but we don't but we don't know what that

949
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:08,790
connection is we don't know the

950
00:36:13,070 --> 00:36:10,320
mechanism of that connection right now

951
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:13,080
down to me that that sounds about as

952
00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:17,520
likely as water having a memory I it

953
00:36:21,110 --> 00:36:19,500
might seem that way but there's science

954
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:21,120
behind the entanglement and there's no

955
00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:22,650
science behind water having a memory and

956
00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:24,030
I think it's important to point out that

957
00:36:28,430 --> 00:36:26,220
the quantum entanglement does sound very

958
00:36:29,870 --> 00:36:28,440
counterintuitive and unnatural but there

959
00:36:30,210 --> 00:36:29,880
is that there is no you still can't

960
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:30,220
commute

961
00:36:34,290 --> 00:36:32,530
that way you're not going to you know

962
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:34,300
you're not going to communicate

963
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,890
information that faster than the speed

964
00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:37,359
of light because it's not information

965
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:38,380
that's actually being transferred

966
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:40,330
between the two so you can't communicate

967
00:36:43,950 --> 00:36:42,250
so that some people will even latch on

968
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:43,960
to quantum entanglement to say oh you

969
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:45,430
can communicate faster than light but it

970
00:36:48,930 --> 00:36:46,570
doesn't it doesn't allow that is because

971
00:36:50,670 --> 00:36:48,940
it's random it's still random a module

972
00:36:52,770 --> 00:36:50,680
area that you love going all cases on

973
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:52,780
the show this is my area run step back

974
00:36:57,660 --> 00:36:55,510
what's your area well I've made a pretty

975
00:37:00,750 --> 00:36:57,670
obvious that i really have a huge beef

976
00:37:02,670 --> 00:37:00,760
with the Church of Scientology yeah now

977
00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:02,680
a lot of people say all skeptics I don't

978
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,660
take up they don't take on the Islamic

979
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,400
world they don't take on the Scientology

980
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:08,800
but they're tough guys sometimes oh

981
00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:10,810
absolutely i mean i'm not afraid to

982
00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:12,520
admit i mean i think they're they're

983
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,380
dangerous and they're they're scary you

984
00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:16,960
know a lot of the stories that that i

985
00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:19,240
read about and you know most skeptics

986
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,070
know about mean they'll go at you and

987
00:37:25,170 --> 00:37:22,720
they have a lot of money and they're

988
00:37:26,609 --> 00:37:25,180
very aggressive about going against

989
00:37:29,339 --> 00:37:26,619
people who speak out against them and

990
00:37:30,570 --> 00:37:29,349
I'm very much in support of the

991
00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:30,580
anonymous movement you know I don't

992
00:37:34,410 --> 00:37:32,260
agree with any violence or anything like

993
00:37:36,329 --> 00:37:34,420
that but the bottom line is you know I

994
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:36,339
just find that the stuff that they're

995
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:39,250
doing is is increasing awareness and you

996
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,330
know the reason why the church of

997
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:42,640
scientology more so than other churches

998
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:45,609
particularly bothers me is because from

999
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:47,170
what i've read and you know i can't

1000
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:49,510
speak from first-hand information but

1001
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:52,450
they really do seem to have you know

1002
00:37:56,970 --> 00:37:55,510
some type of nefarious goals in mind and

1003
00:37:59,160 --> 00:37:56,980
the way that they manipulate people and

1004
00:38:00,089 --> 00:37:59,170
their members it's just not not healthy

1005
00:38:01,859 --> 00:38:00,099
and it's not the kind of thing that

1006
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:01,869
people walk away from with a good

1007
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:04,210
experience and it seems like the kind of

1008
00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:06,010
thing you can only take so far because

1009
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:07,540
if once you go so far you're actually

1010
00:38:11,310 --> 00:38:09,910
getting into legal combative zones with

1011
00:38:13,859 --> 00:38:11,320
them they're so how do you draw the line

1012
00:38:15,570 --> 00:38:13,869
wit how far to go with it i would say

1013
00:38:17,070 --> 00:38:15,580
just like the rest of our show it's all

1014
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:17,080
about education I don't really think

1015
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:19,089
anyone that listens to our show is going

1016
00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:21,609
to be a person that's going to get

1017
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:23,260
involved with the church of scientology

1018
00:38:30,109 --> 00:38:26,890
but as skeptics lots of us know people

1019
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:30,119
who might my family family and friends

1020
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,310
so the education aspect is important i

1021
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:35,200
want people to know other skeptics to

1022
00:38:39,180 --> 00:38:36,970
know how dangerous they are and you know

1023
00:38:41,099 --> 00:38:39,190
what their reaches and then we tell our

1024
00:38:42,690 --> 00:38:41,109
friends and family and that can help and

1025
00:38:44,819 --> 00:38:42,700
I believe it does help

1026
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:44,829
actually your show made me cry you had

1027
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:47,920
the dying beaver on that day what about

1028
00:38:50,670 --> 00:38:49,119
you doing that for you making children

1029
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:50,680
cry all over the world that the beaver

1030
00:38:55,650 --> 00:38:52,210
was dying you played the sounds on your

1031
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:55,660
show I think I will say no comment on

1032
00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:57,130
that one since I had nothing to do with

1033
00:39:00,930 --> 00:38:58,930
it and and it was international toilet

1034
00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:00,940
day as well yeah I gotta tell you the

1035
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:03,640
beaver thing I didn't know what I didn't

1036
00:39:07,260 --> 00:39:05,530
know what it was at first and when I

1037
00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:07,270
heard heard the answer I got really

1038
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:09,430
upset me really you actually can and

1039
00:39:13,620 --> 00:39:11,290
isn't it isn't it interesting that we

1040
00:39:15,780 --> 00:39:13,630
can really we can hear the emotion in

1041
00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:15,790
there oh yeah i mean you play noises all

1042
00:39:20,940 --> 00:39:19,150
the time of planets of sons of radiation

1043
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:20,950
and all sorts of animals but because

1044
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:23,050
it's obvious this animals dying it's

1045
00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:24,730
just really sad yeah but I think also

1046
00:39:29,790 --> 00:39:27,640
there was a its family got killed it's

1047
00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:29,800
the babies in the image and it's make I

1048
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:31,240
killed and that's that was the way I

1049
00:39:34,349 --> 00:39:32,890
remember from remembering correctly by

1050
00:39:36,359 --> 00:39:34,359
don't know if you remember but because

1051
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,369
the odds stopped listening yeah yeah

1052
00:39:40,319 --> 00:39:38,320
it's funny just an hour ago I received

1053
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:40,329
another complaint about that this woman

1054
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:41,920
said that she was actually traumatized a

1055
00:39:44,970 --> 00:39:43,210
little bit in a joking way she said it

1056
00:39:47,099 --> 00:39:44,980
but still yeah it's very it was very

1057
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:47,109
moving noise and very very upsetting

1058
00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:49,180
isn't it strange I can watch The History

1059
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:50,950
Channel and the Nazis can be fighting

1060
00:39:54,210 --> 00:39:52,510
anybody 24 hours a day and i'll watch

1061
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:54,220
that and that's pretty grim russian

1062
00:39:58,319 --> 00:39:56,050
front stuff but then a recording of a

1063
00:40:00,809 --> 00:39:58,329
beaver dying really gets me you know i

1064
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:00,819
think i actually had that occurred to me

1065
00:40:05,130 --> 00:40:03,369
exactly what this thing I questioned

1066
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:05,140
myself right then about why it was so

1067
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:08,079
hard and I think you know and we look at

1068
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,690
animals like babies in a way I think

1069
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:13,359
humans have an instinct to see q animals

1070
00:40:17,309 --> 00:40:15,910
or your animals in distress and we feel

1071
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:17,319
the way about them that we do about

1072
00:40:21,870 --> 00:40:19,510
children so that might make sense why it

1073
00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:21,880
is really difficult it's do you find it

1074
00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:24,220
more difficult to see an animal diverse

1075
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:25,390
as a human a lot of people don't even

1076
00:40:30,839 --> 00:40:27,849
want to answer that question hmm well

1077
00:40:35,099 --> 00:40:30,849
I'm trying to see I'm I haven't seen a

1078
00:40:36,270 --> 00:40:35,109
human died so I can't answer that so the

1079
00:40:39,450 --> 00:40:36,280
answer is I can't answer that but I

1080
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:39,460
imagine an animal in some way would be

1081
00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:41,770
more distressing because I don't

1082
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:43,420
understand an animal as much as I do a

1083
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:45,220
human I could imagine dying myself I

1084
00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:47,170
couldn't imagine being a dog dying also

1085
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:49,150
another factor that I think plays into

1086
00:40:52,530 --> 00:40:50,410
that is the fact that how many people

1087
00:40:55,319 --> 00:40:52,540
have you seen die in your life I mean in

1088
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:55,329
terms of TV and movies tens of thousands

1089
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:56,110
probably

1090
00:40:59,640 --> 00:40:57,810
so on you know in a way we're

1091
00:41:01,110 --> 00:40:59,650
desensitized a little bit to at least

1092
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:01,120
visually seeing something like that

1093
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:03,850
whereas it animals dying really think

1094
00:41:07,470 --> 00:41:05,170
about it compared to people dying you

1095
00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:07,480
don't see it as much on filming and TV

1096
00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:09,430
so maybe that's a factor as well we're a

1097
00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:11,020
little bit desensitized but then again

1098
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:12,520
on the other side of that though is that

1099
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:14,350
if it was happening right in front of

1100
00:41:17,550 --> 00:41:15,370
you then I think it's a completely

1101
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:17,560
different story this is so visceral and

1102
00:41:20,430 --> 00:41:18,970
right it's right in front of you it's a

1103
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:20,440
little bit different than to seeing a

1104
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,760
movie but I think that might play into

1105
00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:23,440
it look I'll just ask you guys this

1106
00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:24,430
because you better strike me as guys

1107
00:41:27,390 --> 00:41:25,960
that might enjoy watching war

1108
00:41:29,730 --> 00:41:27,400
documentaries on the history channel or

1109
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:29,740
something just after nine eleven for a

1110
00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:32,050
few days there I could not watch war

1111
00:41:35,730 --> 00:41:33,940
documentaries of any period on the

1112
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:35,740
history channel because it was like

1113
00:41:41,250 --> 00:41:38,890
suddenly so real did you guys even have

1114
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:41,260
that effect lil not know I'm well I'm

1115
00:41:46,260 --> 00:41:44,170
kind of I'm into horror movies and all

1116
00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:46,270
that all that kind of stuff so stuff

1117
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:47,950
like that I'm kind of used to it doesn't

1118
00:41:51,690 --> 00:41:50,170
bother me but and I don't watch too many

1119
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:51,700
I mean I would enjoy war documentaries

1120
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:54,010
but seeing it for real and real people

1121
00:41:57,540 --> 00:41:55,810
dying in war documents yeah would would

1122
00:41:59,460 --> 00:41:57,550
be upsetting and I could imagine that it

1123
00:42:01,710 --> 00:41:59,470
would be even more so after 911 although

1124
00:42:05,330 --> 00:42:01,720
I didn't see any of them I'm a huge fan

1125
00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:05,340
of world war two in that time period and

1126
00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:07,750
interesting I had this exact reaction

1127
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:09,700
that you did opposite i'm sorry the

1128
00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:11,680
exact opposite reaction well after going

1129
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:14,950
through 911 it really gave me a

1130
00:42:19,890 --> 00:42:17,170
perspective and as I'm you know get back

1131
00:42:22,830 --> 00:42:19,900
to reading about World War 2 or you know

1132
00:42:25,140 --> 00:42:22,840
and that time I was like wow I it seemed

1133
00:42:26,730 --> 00:42:25,150
even more real to me then and I was more

1134
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:26,740
fascinated by it because I was able to

1135
00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:29,110
identify with the mindset a little bit

1136
00:42:32,910 --> 00:42:30,340
more I mean living in the United States

1137
00:42:35,490 --> 00:42:32,920
past 30 years before nine eleven it was

1138
00:42:37,590 --> 00:42:35,500
bliss you know the economy for a long

1139
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,600
time was doing very very good you know

1140
00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:39,520
life has been easy and we haven't had a

1141
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:41,830
major tragedy like that and I guess just

1142
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:43,090
for a while there it just wasn't

1143
00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:45,310
abstract for me for a while or not it

1144
00:42:49,230 --> 00:42:47,350
was just yeah but in but I guess I kind

1145
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,240
of got used to it there and I have got a

1146
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:51,760
beef with you guys from a few few months

1147
00:42:55,620 --> 00:42:53,200
ago it's not even a good one and you're

1148
00:43:00,210 --> 00:42:55,630
probably beating up you were discussing

1149
00:43:02,330 --> 00:43:00,220
a theoretical physicist Michio Kaku from

1150
00:43:05,070 --> 00:43:02,340
the University of New York is it yet and

1151
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:05,080
he said something about UFOs and you

1152
00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:06,850
guys a told that guy again so you

1153
00:43:09,570 --> 00:43:08,080
obviously had a

1154
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:09,580
an opinion about him and he was

1155
00:43:13,230 --> 00:43:10,900
basically saying that there was a

1156
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,240
percentage of UFOs that unexplainable

1157
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:16,240
and he found that spooky no I don't find

1158
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:19,330
that statement to be so bad I mean he's

1159
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:21,010
not saying it can't be explained he's

1160
00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:22,890
just saying he finds it a bit spooky

1161
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:26,830
well I am if I remember correctly I

1162
00:43:32,070 --> 00:43:29,770
don't really remember but having an

1163
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,080
opinion about him before that in a

1164
00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:34,000
negative light at all I was very

1165
00:43:38,910 --> 00:43:37,150
disappointed with that interview I just

1166
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:38,920
think he was a little sloppy I think he

1167
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:41,610
you know I think that he misrepresented

1168
00:43:46,110 --> 00:43:44,650
the actual information is and I think

1169
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:46,120
what he should have expressed was that

1170
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:49,740
even though there may be tons of

1171
00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:51,610
unidentified flying objects that we

1172
00:43:55,650 --> 00:43:53,980
can't explain statistically the odds of

1173
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:55,660
them being real are so small that we

1174
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,010
should we probably shouldn't even

1175
00:44:01,350 --> 00:43:59,680
consider the fact that they're you know

1176
00:44:03,060 --> 00:44:01,360
spaceships like from another planner

1177
00:44:04,410 --> 00:44:03,070
from aliens you know it's just so

1178
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:04,420
unlikely that that's going to take place

1179
00:44:08,370 --> 00:44:06,490
but you know he's it seemed to me in

1180
00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:08,380
that interview that he was actually kind

1181
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:10,390
of leaning towards the yet oh these

1182
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:12,490
could be real these could be aliens and

1183
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:14,170
I just don't think that that's even

1184
00:44:18,930 --> 00:44:17,050
close to reality okay but I just thought

1185
00:44:20,190 --> 00:44:18,940
he was just leaving the door open to it

1186
00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:20,200
being something that we haven't

1187
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:21,790
discovered yet that's what i was

1188
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:23,290
thinking of it as yeah there's nothing

1189
00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:25,450
wrong with leaving the door open I in

1190
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:27,640
that regard and I also want to say we

1191
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:30,010
love michiyo he's clearly a very very

1192
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:32,890
he's a brilliant guy I've enjoyed

1193
00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:35,410
reading reading his works and watching

1194
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:37,060
his shows and he's done a lot to promote

1195
00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:38,170
science oh he said he's an awesome guy

1196
00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:40,420
but look at how many gods can describe

1197
00:44:44,610 --> 00:44:42,190
physics in the middle of Times Square to

1198
00:44:46,110 --> 00:44:44,620
that's Hill it's yeah exactly he said

1199
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:46,120
he's done so much to promote science and

1200
00:44:49,530 --> 00:44:47,290
we need more people like him and that's

1201
00:44:50,820 --> 00:44:49,540
great but in this specific instance he

1202
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:50,830
just seemed I think it fell into the

1203
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:54,480
trap of of you know equating on

1204
00:44:59,070 --> 00:44:57,520
unexplained to meaning that you think

1205
00:45:00,750 --> 00:44:59,080
that you can jump to the conclusion that

1206
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:00,760
oh it must have been an extraterrestrial

1207
00:45:05,460 --> 00:45:03,280
craft whereas instead of instead of

1208
00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:05,470
saying that well it's it does not enough

1209
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:06,670
information and that's why it's

1210
00:45:09,390 --> 00:45:07,930
unexplained and then once you do get

1211
00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:09,400
that information the overwhelming

1212
00:45:13,050 --> 00:45:10,540
likelihood is that it's going to be

1213
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:13,060
something mundane so I so in this case I

1214
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:14,530
don't think you can really there really

1215
00:45:19,850 --> 00:45:17,110
doesn't seem to be a you know we have a

1216
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:19,860
door open for an extraterrestrial

1217
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:21,770
intelligence in this case because

1218
00:45:25,210 --> 00:45:23,210
the evidence is really not there and

1219
00:45:26,620 --> 00:45:25,220
it's it's just and whenever that

1220
00:45:28,090 --> 00:45:26,630
evidence does arise it's always

1221
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:28,100
something mundane and boring that people

1222
00:45:31,690 --> 00:45:29,450
just don't want to consider because it's

1223
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,700
just not fun and I led to that I think

1224
00:45:36,820 --> 00:45:34,160
it's perfectly fine for scientists and

1225
00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:36,830
skeptics to hold each other to a very

1226
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:40,670
high you know we we want him to say

1227
00:45:43,870 --> 00:45:42,290
things correctly and I think he should

1228
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:43,880
want me and us to say things correctly

1229
00:45:47,890 --> 00:45:46,250
we all should you know watch each other

1230
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:47,900
like a at that point I think he made a

1231
00:45:52,030 --> 00:45:50,030
mistake but it's in doesn't reflect the

1232
00:45:54,490 --> 00:45:52,040
quality of work that he does overall and

1233
00:45:56,410 --> 00:45:54,500
you know he has a huge media presence

1234
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,420
and and I find him fascinating and I

1235
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,880
love his programs and everything but I I

1236
00:46:02,050 --> 00:46:00,800
i can think it's perfectly fine for us

1237
00:46:03,550 --> 00:46:02,060
to say hey at that moment we were

1238
00:46:05,170 --> 00:46:03,560
disappointed in what he said and I'm

1239
00:46:07,210 --> 00:46:05,180
sure and we get emails that people say

1240
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:07,220
I'm disappointed what you say it so so

1241
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:08,210
one other point I'd like to make it

1242
00:46:13,690 --> 00:46:12,050
sometimes it's important to realize how

1243
00:46:14,770 --> 00:46:13,700
people are going to take your statements

1244
00:46:16,330 --> 00:46:14,780
especially when you're somebody with

1245
00:46:18,250 --> 00:46:16,340
authority like here I was gonna say that

1246
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:18,260
they made a media loves grabbing stuff

1247
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,370
absolutely people would say well

1248
00:46:23,380 --> 00:46:21,680
mitsouko hot even Michio Kaku believes

1249
00:46:24,490 --> 00:46:23,390
that that this was an evidence for

1250
00:46:26,290 --> 00:46:24,500
aliens and I don't think he was trying

1251
00:46:27,550 --> 00:46:26,300
to say that this was evidence for aliens

1252
00:46:29,410 --> 00:46:27,560
but that's how people will take it you

1253
00:46:30,970 --> 00:46:29,420
got to consider how people are going to

1254
00:46:32,590 --> 00:46:30,980
interpret your statements I think you

1255
00:46:36,370 --> 00:46:32,600
know he he gets interviewed a lot and

1256
00:46:38,290 --> 00:46:36,380
it's easy to to cherry-pick you know

1257
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:38,300
something like that and you know I think

1258
00:46:41,110 --> 00:46:39,440
a lot of people were like why would you

1259
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:41,120
know he's one of the greats you know why

1260
00:46:44,830 --> 00:46:42,650
would you have anything negative to say

1261
00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:44,840
about nothing wrong with us making a

1262
00:46:48,310 --> 00:46:46,580
comment like that but that's also why we

1263
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:48,320
listen to podcasts I mean if you were

1264
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:49,730
saying stuff I agree with all the time I

1265
00:46:52,750 --> 00:46:51,170
probably wouldn't listen yeah yeah

1266
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:52,760
controversies good i mean you know what

1267
00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:54,650
it doesn't make some more awareness hmm

1268
00:46:59,320 --> 00:46:57,710
so and what are you gonna be doing while

1269
00:47:01,240 --> 00:46:59,330
you here I mean there's a whole bunch of

1270
00:47:02,980 --> 00:47:01,250
you I mean you got the Partridge Family

1271
00:47:05,410 --> 00:47:02,990
bus you're traveling around town in

1272
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,420
which is pretty colorful the mondrian

1273
00:47:10,780 --> 00:47:07,280
things great but you know what are gonna

1274
00:47:12,730 --> 00:47:10,790
get up to Weaver week this week was

1275
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:12,740
pretty busy we went to we saw the blue

1276
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,690
mountains we saw the the opera house

1277
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:16,640
which was fantastic we went to the Tonga

1278
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:18,370
zoo yesterday which was a lot of money

1279
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:21,290
cryptozoology looking for the Yowie we

1280
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,090
asked some questions about the the drop

1281
00:47:27,460 --> 00:47:25,760
bear and an expert at the zoo assured us

1282
00:47:28,690 --> 00:47:27,470
that there's that they do not exist so

1283
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:28,700
we're pretty confident that she's

1284
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,650
correct and then next week we're going

1285
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:32,960
to Cannes for to do some scuba diving

1286
00:47:35,140 --> 00:47:34,610
and maybe some awesome snorkeling and

1287
00:47:36,910 --> 00:47:35,150
hopefully some

1288
00:47:39,820 --> 00:47:36,920
scuba diving at they Barrier Reef um

1289
00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:39,830
also your trip he approves your psychic

1290
00:47:42,970 --> 00:47:41,150
i remember earlier in the year you

1291
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:42,980
predicted that you would be traveling to

1292
00:47:46,750 --> 00:47:44,690
australia in november and more bug a

1293
00:47:50,110 --> 00:47:46,760
meteorite can you imagine the hair you

1294
00:47:51,850 --> 00:47:50,120
know also i got engaged this week wow

1295
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:51,860
yeah well a lot of people thought that

1296
00:47:59,560 --> 00:47:57,290
would never happen yeah well have a good

1297
00:48:01,690 --> 00:47:59,570
time here and whatever these trains like

1298
00:48:03,850 --> 00:48:01,700
I mean sorry I keep asking this one more

1299
00:48:05,530 --> 00:48:03,860
question um one of us is trans like I

1300
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:05,540
mean are we in any way different to

1301
00:48:11,620 --> 00:48:08,240
skeptics anywhere else do we swam or do

1302
00:48:15,370 --> 00:48:11,630
we like do we have bare midriffs Wow um

1303
00:48:19,180 --> 00:48:15,380
I can answer that good Jamie alright i

1304
00:48:20,650 --> 00:48:19,190
would say i find eyes if I Australians

1305
00:48:24,090 --> 00:48:20,660
in general just to be a lot friendlier

1306
00:48:26,650 --> 00:48:24,100
yeah I'm from the new york city area and

1307
00:48:28,510 --> 00:48:26,660
as far as intelligence levels i don't

1308
00:48:30,610 --> 00:48:28,520
see any difference between the United

1309
00:48:33,310 --> 00:48:30,620
States skeptics and I Australian said

1310
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:33,320
being a New Yorker uh any more blunt

1311
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,330
than you guys or not yeah you're blunt

1312
00:48:40,060 --> 00:48:37,760
but you're friendly and your warm very

1313
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:40,070
warm i love love the people here it's

1314
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:42,470
great city look you're gonna come back

1315
00:48:45,970 --> 00:48:44,150
again then oh it's a long flight but I

1316
00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:45,980
mean you probably used up money and non

1317
00:48:49,150 --> 00:48:47,870
loves flying in didn't you the flight

1318
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:49,160
was actually much better than I

1319
00:48:52,930 --> 00:48:51,170
anticipated you I I found that if you

1320
00:48:54,220 --> 00:48:52,940
stay awake for a day before you fly and

1321
00:48:56,170 --> 00:48:54,230
then you sleep on the plane it's all

1322
00:48:58,540 --> 00:48:56,180
good jet lag has been surprisingly

1323
00:48:59,590 --> 00:48:58,550
minimized it's been great I would do it

1324
00:49:01,660 --> 00:48:59,600
again I'm looking forward to coming back

1325
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:01,670
and in fact I might just not leave yeah

1326
00:49:05,470 --> 00:49:03,770
well we have a cupboard for you just

1327
00:49:06,460 --> 00:49:05,480
over there beautiful right look thanks

1328
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for coming you look forward to seeing

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00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:08,620
you soon thanks

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00:49:16,890 --> 00:49:14,230
I you you've just witnessed the Magister

1331
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,900
II and pageantry of George rave there on

1332
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:18,880
state what was alike oh he's very good

1333
00:49:24,210 --> 00:49:21,130
yes his head it's nice and shiny so he's

1334
00:49:26,190 --> 00:49:24,220
very very funny to put him two eggs

1335
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,200
immaculate like he's a mantis immaculate

1336
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:29,200
easy tight leash stylish mad always like

1337
00:49:32,610 --> 00:49:31,030
a man in a suit no tie you think he

1338
00:49:35,010 --> 00:49:32,620
might shave other parts of his body I

1339
00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:35,020
bet he does it is it's a whole food

1340
00:49:39,090 --> 00:49:37,600
thing not that I would know and look

1341
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:39,100
what was your favorite track of he's

1342
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:40,690
saying a couple songs up there I like

1343
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:43,330
the one who sings about his dead dog I

1344
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:44,940
was going to say the dead dog as well

1345
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:47,200
it's not the best way to put it is a bit

1346
00:49:52,410 --> 00:49:49,330
sentimental [\h__\h] that you know I can

1347
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:52,420
cry on occasion and how do you think you

1348
00:49:56,190 --> 00:49:54,610
went over oh very well yet you've got a

1349
00:50:00,240 --> 00:49:56,200
lovely round of applause at the end

1350
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,250
enjoyed the arm twitter feed enormously

1351
00:50:04,770 --> 00:50:03,280
oh well now this is something that it's

1352
00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:04,780
a bit like people whispering in the back

1353
00:50:07,530 --> 00:50:06,550
row reading the twitter feed is and what

1354
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:07,540
were they what are they saying about

1355
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:10,720
George while he was on oh oh yes he was

1356
00:50:16,650 --> 00:50:12,490
very funny and they liked him a lot and

1357
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:16,660
I also liked him at the end when he had

1358
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:25,090
Rachel and reading out the the Twitter

1359
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:26,890
quotes that people have said over the

1360
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,930
years so that was very very funny that's

1361
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:30,640
cool oh well I think we shall have a

1362
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:32,050
drink now because it's at the end of day

1363
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,520
one now what are you looking forward to

1364
00:50:37,290 --> 00:50:35,680
the most over the next two days I'm

1365
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,300
going to enjoy the harbor cruise

1366
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:39,520
tomorrow night that'll be lovely and I

1367
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:42,010
think dick smith versus Randy tomorrow

1368
00:50:46,110 --> 00:50:44,710
she should be very good and what kind of

1369
00:50:49,740 --> 00:50:46,120
people you think how would you describe

1370
00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:49,750
the crowd here it's okay um Tim Finch

1371
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:53,470
armed girl hahaha thirty percent young

1372
00:51:01,830 --> 00:50:56,650
guy and what are we left with the rest

1373
00:51:03,870 --> 00:51:01,840
of them are white and BD sorry refined

1374
00:51:04,839 --> 00:51:03,880
is it ok I'm going to shave it in closer

1375
00:51:12,190 --> 00:51:04,849
tomorrow

1376
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:12,200
it's good good good hey boo oh hey bro

1377
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:14,690
what on your wrist is that a balance

1378
00:51:20,170 --> 00:51:17,569
Kevin what the no no this is a placebo

1379
00:51:22,989 --> 00:51:20,180
man a what that's right new from skeptic

1380
00:51:24,579 --> 00:51:22,999
Bruce com+ superb and no more popping

1381
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:24,589
pills painful needles or smelly

1382
00:51:28,930 --> 00:51:27,170
ointments huh the superb and uses two

1383
00:51:31,029 --> 00:51:28,940
powerful scientifically proven affects

1384
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:31,039
the placebo effect and confirmation bias

1385
00:51:34,779 --> 00:51:32,930
seriously there's no a nurse here who

1386
00:51:36,249 --> 00:51:34,789
are you yelling at the super bands in

1387
00:51:37,930 --> 00:51:36,259
five fashionable colors are available

1388
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:37,940
for only two dollars each plus postage

1389
00:51:43,390 --> 00:51:40,910
and handling from skeptic bros com get

1390
00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:43,400
yours today why do I even talk to you

1391
00:51:53,710 --> 00:51:45,470
I'm your brother and mum says you have

1392
00:51:59,440 --> 00:51:53,720
to now it's time for dr. Rachel reports

1393
00:52:01,299 --> 00:51:59,450
with dr. Rachel Dunlop hello listeners

1394
00:52:04,749 --> 00:52:01,309
and welcome to this very special episode

1395
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:04,759
of Doctor ranchi reports so I'm going to

1396
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:07,910
do a roundup of 2010 the year in science

1397
00:52:12,999 --> 00:52:10,910
skepticism and woo and I'm going to talk

1398
00:52:15,489 --> 00:52:13,009
about some of my highlights for events

1399
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:15,499
about science and skepticism that happen

1400
00:52:21,180 --> 00:52:18,529
in 2010 so whilst there were some very

1401
00:52:23,769 --> 00:52:21,190
big wins for critical thinking in 2010

1402
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:23,779
products such as power balance continued

1403
00:52:28,299 --> 00:52:25,609
to demonstrate the gullibility of the

1404
00:52:30,130 --> 00:52:28,309
general public on the plus side the

1405
00:52:32,650 --> 00:52:30,140
anti-vaccination movement continued to

1406
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:32,660
take hits with notably andrew wakefield

1407
00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:34,910
being struck off the UK medical register

1408
00:52:39,309 --> 00:52:37,369
and the avn losing their charity license

1409
00:52:40,749 --> 00:52:39,319
as well as being called a threat to

1410
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:40,759
public health and safety by the

1411
00:52:45,459 --> 00:52:43,849
healthcare Complaints Commission and of

1412
00:52:47,319 --> 00:52:45,469
course the year ended with a bang with

1413
00:52:49,569 --> 00:52:47,329
Australia's largest skeptical convention

1414
00:52:54,459 --> 00:52:49,579
ever to come to Australia tomoz which

1415
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:54,469
was held in November so let's kick off

1416
00:53:00,339 --> 00:52:57,680
on january thirtieth 2010 with the 1023

1417
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:00,349
campaign the worldwide campaign to

1418
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,680
overdose if possible on homeopathy this

1419
00:53:06,999 --> 00:53:05,119
was the brainchild of Merseyside

1420
00:53:08,799 --> 00:53:07,009
skeptics society and was designed to

1421
00:53:11,739 --> 00:53:08,809
inform the public that homeopathy

1422
00:53:13,779 --> 00:53:11,749
there's nothing in it it was a huge

1423
00:53:16,509 --> 00:53:13,789
success attracting extensive media

1424
00:53:18,220 --> 00:53:16,519
coverage across the UK and the event was

1425
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:18,230
also mirrored in Perth

1426
00:53:22,810 --> 00:53:20,510
me and very successfully in Christchurch

1427
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:22,820
New Zealand where lots of media coverage

1428
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:25,850
also occurred events for 2011 are

1429
00:53:30,090 --> 00:53:27,650
already being planned and the campaign

1430
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:30,100
looks to be even bigger this time round

1431
00:53:35,290 --> 00:53:32,210
following is an excerpt from the

1432
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:35,300
overdose in Oxford England and people

1433
00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:36,530
are case you get hang on 50 confused to

1434
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,300
her medicine but it's not we all know

1435
00:53:41,590 --> 00:53:40,160
that it's basically a sugar pill or its

1436
00:53:43,180 --> 00:53:41,600
water which apparently has a memory

1437
00:53:44,890 --> 00:53:43,190
which is because everything that we know

1438
00:53:46,990 --> 00:53:44,900
in science so today we're taking an

1439
00:53:48,490 --> 00:53:47,000
overdose to prove but there is nothing

1440
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:48,500
in these pills because if there was

1441
00:53:51,130 --> 00:53:49,490
something and he took it over there

1442
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,140
something we've bettered on in it you

1443
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,359
would literally die there's honor is

1444
00:53:57,790 --> 00:53:55,760
toxic arsenic toxic all these be taken

1445
00:53:59,980 --> 00:53:57,800
say are poisons about they being so

1446
00:54:01,720 --> 00:53:59,990
diluted but they're not toxic anymore

1447
00:54:03,970 --> 00:54:01,730
I've got half our self which apparently

1448
00:54:06,250 --> 00:54:03,980
was once in contact with some calcium

1449
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,260
sulfide I've got arsenic which they say

1450
00:54:09,849 --> 00:54:08,240
will cure almost everything I feel

1451
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:09,859
belladonna they say it's good for

1452
00:54:16,690 --> 00:54:12,530
headaches and trace of a stress-related

1453
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:16,700
ailments the lil pills sauce net some

1454
00:54:39,940 --> 00:54:34,880
more diluted I think we really good I

1455
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:39,950
could eat more of those yeah yeah not

1456
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:42,290
too bad all together quite nice quite

1457
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:44,330
sugary they're quite nice actually bit

1458
00:54:49,780 --> 00:54:47,090
like tic tacs crunchy and sweet that

1459
00:54:51,220 --> 00:54:49,790
like sweeties but more expensive so no

1460
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:51,230
no I was going to fall over none of us

1461
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:52,970
are going to die and by this we're going

1462
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:55,810
to prove that there's nothing in it

1463
00:55:02,800 --> 00:54:58,880
following on from the 1023 campaign on

1464
00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:02,810
februari 22nd 2010 the UK Committee on

1465
00:55:07,890 --> 00:55:04,910
science and technology evidence check

1466
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:07,900
reported that homeopathy doesn't work

1467
00:55:13,090 --> 00:55:10,090
following a thorough investigation

1468
00:55:15,370 --> 00:55:13,100
committee chairman phil willis MP said

1469
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:15,380
we were seeking to determine whether the

1470
00:55:20,490 --> 00:55:17,510
government's policies on homeopathy are

1471
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:20,500
based on current evidence they are not

1472
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:23,330
the report recommended that the National

1473
00:55:28,690 --> 00:55:25,310
Health Service no longer fund homeopathy

1474
00:55:31,630 --> 00:55:28,700
and also recommended no further clinical

1475
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:31,640
trials of homeopathy found evidence for

1476
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:34,090
homeopathy working with lacking

1477
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:36,290
explanations for why homeopathy works

1478
00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:39,440
were scientifically implausible and the

1479
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:42,040
committee viewed homeopathy as placebo

1480
00:55:47,620 --> 00:55:44,960
despite these damning recommendations on

1481
00:55:49,630 --> 00:55:47,630
july twenty six twenty ten it was

1482
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:49,640
announced that homeopathy was to remain

1483
00:55:57,580 --> 00:55:55,280
on the NHS on march to 12 if the u.s.

1484
00:56:00,640 --> 00:55:57,590
vaccine court ruled that Phi marisol

1485
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,650
does not cause autism the claim that

1486
00:56:05,530 --> 00:56:02,960
autism is linked to vaccinations and in

1487
00:56:07,870 --> 00:56:05,540
particular to MMR vaccine took a further

1488
00:56:10,750 --> 00:56:07,880
blow in March with the US Court of

1489
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:10,760
Federal Claims rejecting claims in three

1490
00:56:17,470 --> 00:56:13,520
separate cases that the MMR preservative

1491
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:17,480
thimerosal causes autism three cases

1492
00:56:21,940 --> 00:56:19,280
which had been selected from a pending

1493
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:21,950
class action of thousands ruled on by

1494
00:56:26,890 --> 00:56:24,650
three judges called special masters were

1495
00:56:28,540 --> 00:56:26,900
chosen as test cases as they were

1496
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:28,550
considered to be amongst the strongest

1497
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:31,850
proposed special master George L

1498
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:33,890
Hastings wrote in his judgment on one

1499
00:56:39,550 --> 00:56:37,010
case that this case is not a closed case

1500
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:39,560
the overall weight of the evidence is

1501
00:56:43,620 --> 00:56:41,210
overwhelmingly contrary to

1502
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:43,630
the petitioners causation theories

1503
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:46,250
Patricia Campbell Smith a special master

1504
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:48,410
on another case said that the

1505
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,330
petitioners theory of vaccine related

1506
00:56:56,050 --> 00:56:52,400
causation is scientifically

1507
00:56:58,270 --> 00:56:56,060
unsupportable sadly this has not changed

1508
00:57:00,880 --> 00:56:58,280
some parents perception that vaccines

1509
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,890
cause autism and here's an excerpt from

1510
00:57:04,990 --> 00:57:02,480
an interview that aired on ABC

1511
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:05,000
television in America there's been a

1512
00:57:08,860 --> 00:57:07,010
long debate on whether vaccines with the

1513
00:57:11,260 --> 00:57:08,870
preservative containing mercury causes

1514
00:57:13,090 --> 00:57:11,270
autism in children well that debate

1515
00:57:14,740 --> 00:57:13,100
landed in federal court and late Friday

1516
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:14,750
afternoon families with autistic

1517
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:17,090
children who blamed the vaccines we're

1518
00:57:20,890 --> 00:57:19,730
told their case has no merit joining me

1519
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:20,900
now from Washington with some

1520
00:57:24,430 --> 00:57:22,610
perspective is arthur allen he's the

1521
00:57:26,740 --> 00:57:24,440
author of the book vaccine welcome

1522
00:57:28,450 --> 00:57:26,750
Arthur thanks for having me well the

1523
00:57:31,060 --> 00:57:28,460
ruling could not have been more clear

1524
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:31,070
more firm it says that the theory of

1525
00:57:36,550 --> 00:57:34,730
causation related to the vaccine is

1526
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:36,560
scientifically unsupportable that this

1527
00:57:41,710 --> 00:57:38,930
is a case where the evidence is so one

1528
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:41,720
sided people are calling this ruling

1529
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,960
definitive why is it so significant well

1530
00:57:49,060 --> 00:57:46,880
because this case has been going around

1531
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:49,070
for ten years it's affected the way the

1532
00:57:53,980 --> 00:57:52,190
people in this country view vaccines you

1533
00:57:57,490 --> 00:57:53,990
wanted for parents in this country's

1534
00:57:59,440 --> 00:57:57,500
blame vaccines for autism and so this is

1535
00:58:01,330 --> 00:57:59,450
a really important message that comes

1536
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:01,340
out of this case is an independent

1537
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:03,530
judicial body you know just found that

1538
00:58:06,780 --> 00:58:05,450
there was no evidence at all this seems

1539
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:06,790
like the classic debate between

1540
00:58:10,570 --> 00:58:08,930
anecdotal evidence and empirical

1541
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:10,580
scientific evidence because there are

1542
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:12,650
parents who were protesting the ruling

1543
00:58:16,780 --> 00:58:14,570
and who are still convinced that their

1544
00:58:20,370 --> 00:58:16,790
children's autism was triggered by the

1545
00:58:22,510 --> 00:58:20,380
vaccines cameras really end the debate

1546
00:58:24,850 --> 00:58:22,520
well I think that people who are

1547
00:58:26,380 --> 00:58:24,860
convinced that vaccines cause their

1548
00:58:30,580 --> 00:58:26,390
child's autism are not going to be

1549
00:58:33,070 --> 00:58:30,590
convinced otherwise and you know that's

1550
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:33,080
kind of a shame but that's it's really

1551
00:58:36,940 --> 00:58:34,910
the important thing about this ruling is

1552
00:58:39,310 --> 00:58:36,950
it I hopefully will give people

1553
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:39,320
confidence when they have infant

1554
00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:40,880
children that they can vaccinate them

1555
00:58:46,570 --> 00:58:43,150
safely

1556
00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:46,580
on April the 15th 2010 the British

1557
00:58:51,810 --> 00:58:49,070
Chiropractic Association finally dropped

1558
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:51,820
its libel case against Simon Singh the

1559
00:58:55,870 --> 00:58:54,110
BCA had brought a claim for libel

1560
00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:55,880
against Singh after an article he wrote

1561
00:59:02,440 --> 00:58:58,730
describing the BCA as happily promoting

1562
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:02,450
bogus treatments just as ed agreed with

1563
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:04,490
the BCA's interpretation that Singh had

1564
00:59:09,370 --> 00:59:06,910
made a serious allegation of dishonesty

1565
00:59:11,140 --> 00:59:09,380
however the Court of Appeal ruled that

1566
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:11,150
sings comments were expression of an

1567
00:59:16,450 --> 00:59:14,630
honest opinion on April the 15th the BCA

1568
00:59:19,210 --> 00:59:16,460
withdrew their case and in a statement

1569
00:59:21,550 --> 00:59:19,220
they said the BCA takes seriously its

1570
00:59:23,980 --> 00:59:21,560
duty and responsibility to members and

1571
00:59:25,690 --> 00:59:23,990
to chiropractic patients while it was

1572
00:59:27,970 --> 00:59:25,700
right to bring the claim at the outset

1573
00:59:31,090 --> 00:59:27,980
the BCA now feels that the time is right

1574
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:31,100
for the matter to draw to a close even

1575
00:59:34,750 --> 00:59:32,720
though seeing effectively won the case

1576
00:59:36,670 --> 00:59:34,760
it still cost him thousands of pounds of

1577
00:59:39,220 --> 00:59:36,680
his own money much of which he will

1578
00:59:41,350 --> 00:59:39,230
never recoup but importantly his case

1579
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:41,360
has prompted changes to the UK labour

1580
00:59:46,210 --> 00:59:44,000
laws of which Simon comments on here

1581
00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:46,220
only the two the two things which are

1582
00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:49,220
just gloves on the way out are one the

1583
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:52,190
judges plea and having a libel laws

1584
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,770
could impact on discussion how

1585
00:59:57,970 --> 00:59:56,240
essentially this this liability was

1586
00:59:59,980 --> 00:59:57,980
caught in a base by chiropractic or like

1587
01:00:00,800 --> 00:59:59,990
I said secondly I think their particular

1588
01:00:03,460 --> 01:00:00,810
happy

1589
01:00:07,490 --> 01:00:03,470
the way scientific discussions would be

1590
01:00:09,290 --> 01:00:07,500
coerced by fine silence by libel or so I

1591
01:00:11,390 --> 01:00:09,300
think that's a real food for libel for

1592
01:00:12,770 --> 01:00:11,400
exampe I think the most ridiculous thing

1593
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:12,780
but it's clearly great news for us but

1594
01:00:16,850 --> 01:00:14,160
the ridiculous thing is that we

1595
01:00:19,340 --> 01:00:16,860
estimated at about 200,000 pounds has

1596
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:19,350
been spent arguing over the meaning of a

1597
01:00:23,150 --> 01:00:21,570
handful of words and that's one of the

1598
01:00:26,410 --> 01:00:23,160
fundamental reasons why the library laws

1599
01:00:30,290 --> 01:00:26,420
need to be changed thank you very much

1600
01:00:33,470 --> 01:00:30,300
on May the 24 2010 Andrew Wakefield was

1601
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:33,480
struck off the UK medical register the

1602
01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:35,490
Wakefield investigation was the longest

1603
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:36,780
in the history of the General Medical

1604
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:39,210
Council with a disciplinary panel

1605
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:42,930
sitting for a period of 148 days over

1606
01:00:48,380 --> 01:00:45,210
two and a half years at an estimated

1607
01:00:51,230 --> 01:00:48,390
cost of 1 million pounds the results of

1608
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:51,240
the investigation were revealed in a 143

1609
01:00:56,780 --> 01:00:54,450
page report on the 28 of January 2010

1610
01:00:59,120 --> 01:00:56,790
which found that Wakefield showed a

1611
01:01:02,780 --> 01:00:59,130
callous disregard for children suffering

1612
01:01:05,570 --> 01:01:02,790
and abused his position of trust the

1613
01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:05,580
psalmist misleading irresponsible the

1614
01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:08,310
damning ruling against this doctor he's

1615
01:01:13,100 --> 01:01:09,960
just been struck off the medical

1616
01:01:16,070 --> 01:01:13,110
register dr. Andrew Wakefield seen here

1617
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:16,080
in January at a GMC inquiry where he was

1618
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:19,050
found to have acted unethically his work

1619
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:20,960
which was published in the lancet in

1620
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:24,510
1998 focused on the MMR injection and

1621
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:27,510
it's links to autism in children it led

1622
01:01:32,510 --> 01:01:29,970
to a mass reduction of parents allowing

1623
01:01:35,060 --> 01:01:32,520
their children to have the triple jab he

1624
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:35,070
reacted to his dismissal robustly my

1625
01:01:38,030 --> 01:01:36,450
recommendation was that children

1626
01:01:39,620 --> 01:01:38,040
continued to be vaccinated and I

1627
01:01:41,780 --> 01:01:39,630
suggested the option of the single

1628
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:41,790
vaccines the government withdrew the

1629
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:43,170
license for the importation of the

1630
01:01:46,850 --> 01:01:44,730
single vaccines in other words when the

1631
01:01:49,580 --> 01:01:46,860
demand for the single vaccines was at

1632
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:49,590
its highest and children were continuing

1633
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:52,290
to be protected then they had the option

1634
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:54,090
of single vaccines removed by the

1635
01:01:58,490 --> 01:01:55,920
government and then measles came back

1636
01:02:01,940 --> 01:01:58,500
now if you're your principal aim was to

1637
01:02:03,980 --> 01:02:01,950
protect children not policy but children

1638
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:03,990
why would you remove the option from

1639
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,640
parents and that is exactly what

1640
01:02:10,790 --> 01:02:07,920
happened today's decision is not for his

1641
01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:10,800
hypothesis but for the methods he used

1642
01:02:15,930 --> 01:02:13,270
in making that hypothesis

1643
01:02:18,420 --> 01:02:15,940
dr. Wakefield was accused of paying five

1644
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:18,430
pounds to children at his son's birthday

1645
01:02:24,660 --> 01:02:21,910
party the samples of their blood no

1646
01:02:26,250 --> 01:02:24,670
permission sought from their parents he

1647
01:02:28,860 --> 01:02:26,260
was also accused of carrying out

1648
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:28,870
invasive colonoscopies on some of the

1649
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:31,270
youngsters again without ethical

1650
01:02:37,470 --> 01:02:34,720
approval and this the GMC says he wasn't

1651
01:02:40,140 --> 01:02:37,480
even qualified to do despite these

1652
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:40,150
accusations he enjoys vigorous support

1653
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:42,910
from some parents this guy has been set

1654
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:45,690
up it's nothing but lies it's a setup

1655
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:49,210
they they have seen unheard the evidence

1656
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:51,970
proving his NCAA is innocent and they

1657
01:02:56,670 --> 01:02:54,130
have ignored it Wakefield says the

1658
01:02:59,070 --> 01:02:56,680
government's covering up the MMR scandal

1659
01:03:02,580 --> 01:02:59,080
but others say parents should be under

1660
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:02,590
no illusion the MMR jab is safe every

1661
01:03:06,540 --> 01:03:04,570
scientific body every serious doctor he

1662
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:06,550
has looked at their sins all say the

1663
01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:09,010
same thing which Mr vaccine is safe and

1664
01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:10,900
parents are well advised to get two

1665
01:03:13,590 --> 01:03:12,340
daughters for their children it's the

1666
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:13,600
most important thing they can do

1667
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:15,760
Wakefield's planning to appeal the

1668
01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:21,130
decision from his new base in the US on

1669
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:23,260
July the 12 2010 the healthcare

1670
01:03:27,060 --> 01:03:24,850
complaints commission released their

1671
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:27,070
findings from a 12-month investigation

1672
01:03:32,010 --> 01:03:29,170
into the Australian vaccination Network

1673
01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:32,020
the Commission concluded that the avn

1674
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:33,910
provide misleading information about

1675
01:03:38,670 --> 01:03:36,610
vaccinations and must post a disclaimer

1676
01:03:41,490 --> 01:03:38,680
on their website clearly stating that

1677
01:03:43,530 --> 01:03:41,500
they are anti-vaccination their report

1678
01:03:46,050 --> 01:03:43,540
found evidence that the avn misleads

1679
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:46,060
their readers by using reliable and

1680
01:03:51,060 --> 01:03:48,490
peer-reviewed literature but selectively

1681
01:03:52,890 --> 01:03:51,070
quoting from it often in contradiction

1682
01:03:56,130 --> 01:03:52,900
to the conclusions or findings of the

1683
01:03:58,530 --> 01:03:56,140
studies the commission also found that

1684
01:04:01,170 --> 01:03:58,540
the avn gives non-peer reviewed and

1685
01:04:04,020 --> 01:04:01,180
anecdotal material the same authority as

1686
01:04:06,030 --> 01:04:04,030
peer-reviewed literature but the avn

1687
01:04:10,020 --> 01:04:06,040
refused to place disclaimer on their

1688
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:10,030
website so on july the 26 2010 the H

1689
01:04:15,110 --> 01:04:12,310
Triple C issued a public warning about

1690
01:04:18,330 --> 01:04:15,120
the avian it said amongst other things

1691
01:04:20,550 --> 01:04:18,340
the avians failure to include a notice

1692
01:04:22,980 --> 01:04:20,560
on its website of the nature recommended

1693
01:04:25,230 --> 01:04:22,990
by the Commission may result in members

1694
01:04:27,089 --> 01:04:25,240
of the public making improperly informed

1695
01:04:29,999 --> 01:04:27,099
decisions about whether or not to

1696
01:04:32,670 --> 01:04:30,009
Axl 8 and therefore poses a risk to

1697
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:32,680
public health and safety this resulted

1698
01:04:38,009 --> 01:04:34,930
in a surge in interest by the media and

1699
01:04:40,019 --> 01:04:38,019
the Streisand effect took hold for the

1700
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:40,029
first time we began to see the avian

1701
01:04:44,849 --> 01:04:42,130
referred to as anti-vaccination by the

1702
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:44,859
mainstream media and their arrogance in

1703
01:04:48,809 --> 01:04:46,450
refusing to put up the H Triple C

1704
01:04:51,180 --> 01:04:48,819
disclaimer had well and truly backfired

1705
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:51,190
here's an example of Merrill getting

1706
01:04:56,130 --> 01:04:53,920
pawned on radio listeners should be

1707
01:04:58,380 --> 01:04:56,140
aware that for time constraints I have

1708
01:04:59,640 --> 01:04:58,390
edited this interview the healthcare

1709
01:05:01,380 --> 01:04:59,650
Complaints Commission the a Triple C

1710
01:05:03,870 --> 01:05:01,390
move to investigate the website

1711
01:05:05,489 --> 01:05:03,880
following complaints including from a

1712
01:05:07,499 --> 01:05:05,499
new south wales couple whose

1713
01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:07,509
four-week-old daughter died from

1714
01:05:12,059 --> 01:05:10,329
whooping cough now the avian is saying

1715
01:05:13,650 --> 01:05:12,069
this is an attack on free speech and

1716
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:13,660
that their organization doesn't fall

1717
01:05:20,009 --> 01:05:16,319
under the jurisdiction of the H Triple C

1718
01:05:21,390 --> 01:05:20,019
well Meryl Dory is the avian founder and

1719
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:21,400
we're happy to say that she's giving us

1720
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:22,720
a couple of minutes on the program can I

1721
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:25,359
Merrill hi Mary how you doing not too

1722
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:27,910
bad I mean why is your organization

1723
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:29,890
mineral Dori against vaccination Janice

1724
01:05:34,170 --> 01:05:32,319
it is in a snapshot just give us the the

1725
01:05:35,729 --> 01:05:34,180
thumbnail if you would well Marie I hate

1726
01:05:38,430 --> 01:05:35,739
to correct you but I'm going to have to

1727
01:05:40,620 --> 01:05:38,440
go home we're not against vaccinations

1728
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:40,630
we simply provide the balance of

1729
01:05:45,660 --> 01:05:43,450
information so you've pro vaccination we

1730
01:05:47,249 --> 01:05:45,670
are pro-choice we're pro information and

1731
01:05:49,739 --> 01:05:47,259
pro-choice are you medically qualified

1732
01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:49,749
Merrill I am not medically qualified but

1733
01:05:53,309 --> 01:05:51,369
I've been researching this issue for

1734
01:05:55,410 --> 01:05:53,319
well over 20 years so you're happy to

1735
01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:55,420
put your lack of medical qualifications

1736
01:05:58,680 --> 01:05:56,950
and 20 years of research up against the

1737
01:06:00,479 --> 01:05:58,690
body of medical opinion it says

1738
01:06:01,829 --> 01:06:00,489
vaccinations a hell of a good idea for

1739
01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:01,839
someone that says you like freedom of

1740
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:03,910
speech and choice you're very proactive

1741
01:06:07,529 --> 01:06:05,890
against vaccinating no I'm not well you

1742
01:06:09,239 --> 01:06:07,539
are your argument is stating that I

1743
01:06:11,459 --> 01:06:09,249
don't know how you get that I am very

1744
01:06:13,319 --> 01:06:11,469
much in favor of people being able to

1745
01:06:15,779 --> 01:06:13,329
make informed choice I have never once

1746
01:06:17,969 --> 01:06:15,789
said to anybody at any time that they

1747
01:06:19,529 --> 01:06:17,979
should not vaccinate their child I have

1748
01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:19,539
simply said that they should get the

1749
01:06:23,489 --> 01:06:21,640
information and I think that any

1750
01:06:24,839 --> 01:06:23,499
thinking person really and truly if

1751
01:06:27,749 --> 01:06:24,849
you're looking at a medical procedure

1752
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:27,759
you need to become informed about it but

1753
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:29,650
if it is a medical procedure what on

1754
01:06:33,420 --> 01:06:31,210
earth gives you any sort of

1755
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,430
qualification to make any inform comment

1756
01:06:37,859 --> 01:06:35,920
on this at all well 20 years of research

1757
01:06:40,510 --> 01:06:37,869
and able big deal 20 is a researcher

1758
01:06:42,340 --> 01:06:40,520
give me a break dr. Lee's

1759
01:06:44,020 --> 01:06:42,350
yeah but you do realize something like

1760
01:06:45,850 --> 01:06:44,030
our smallpox doesn't officially exist

1761
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:45,860
anymore except in a scientific glad

1762
01:06:49,780 --> 01:06:47,450
because vaccine has wiped it out across

1763
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:49,790
the world I'm sorry smallpox was not

1764
01:06:55,410 --> 01:06:51,680
wiped out by vaccination because in the

1765
01:06:57,550 --> 01:06:55,420
last 30 years ago rawhide the world wide

1766
01:07:00,610 --> 01:06:57,560
vaccination rate against smallpox is

1767
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:00,620
below tempers okay love I'll inform the

1768
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,330
highly qualified doctor that gave me

1769
01:07:06,130 --> 01:07:04,400
that information okay will you do that

1770
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:06,140
with us we did invite him the broken

1771
01:07:09,340 --> 01:07:07,370
think very much metal door I like I

1772
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:09,350
wouldn't be doing it to be honest I

1773
01:07:12,670 --> 01:07:11,330
think it's actually in the wrong name

1774
01:07:15,220 --> 01:07:12,680
the Australian vaccine network should be

1775
01:07:17,020 --> 01:07:15,230
the anti-alien vaccine network but there

1776
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:17,030
were several more blows for the avian

1777
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:20,480
before 2010 ended on August the second

1778
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:21,890
the Australian Medical Association

1779
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:25,010
issued a warning about the avian saying

1780
01:07:29,310 --> 01:07:27,290
misleading claims about vaccinations are

1781
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:29,320
putting Australian lives at risk on

1782
01:07:34,810 --> 01:07:32,510
September first 2010 a story appeared in

1783
01:07:37,180 --> 01:07:34,820
The Sydney Morning Herald describing an

1784
01:07:39,580 --> 01:07:37,190
anti-vaccination group under fire for

1785
01:07:41,590 --> 01:07:39,590
allegedly breaching copyright laws by

1786
01:07:43,450 --> 01:07:41,600
selling newspaper and medical journal

1787
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:43,460
articles online without permission from

1788
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:46,730
the authors it seems the avian was

1789
01:07:51,700 --> 01:07:49,520
selling packs for up to 128 dollars

1790
01:07:53,710 --> 01:07:51,710
which included homemade books filled

1791
01:07:56,590 --> 01:07:53,720
with articles photocopied from medical

1792
01:07:58,420 --> 01:07:56,600
journals information on drugs taken from

1793
01:08:00,940 --> 01:07:58,430
mems the medical guide used by doctors

1794
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:00,950
and nurses and copies of brochures

1795
01:08:05,980 --> 01:08:03,440
inserted into medication boxes by

1796
01:08:08,410 --> 01:08:05,990
pharmaceutical companies under the

1797
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:08,420
Copyright Act articles can be copied for

1798
01:08:13,810 --> 01:08:10,490
personal research but cannot be

1799
01:08:16,180 --> 01:08:13,820
disseminated widely or sold in response

1800
01:08:19,329 --> 01:08:16,190
ms dorries said she was unaware she had

1801
01:08:22,150 --> 01:08:19,339
breached copyright the final blow for

1802
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:22,160
the avn came on October the 20th when

1803
01:08:27,519 --> 01:08:24,670
they had their charity license revoked

1804
01:08:29,740 --> 01:08:27,529
following a complaint the OLG are

1805
01:08:31,780 --> 01:08:29,750
ordered to the avn and found breaches

1806
01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:31,790
sufficient to revoke their charity

1807
01:08:36,610 --> 01:08:34,310
license these included a number of

1808
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:36,620
breaches of charity laws including

1809
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:38,410
fundraising without an authority

1810
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:41,450
unauthorized expenditure and failure to

1811
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:43,130
keep proper records of income and

1812
01:08:48,490 --> 01:08:46,640
expenditure the OLG are said it had also

1813
01:08:51,220 --> 01:08:48,500
identified possible breaches of the

1814
01:08:52,450 --> 01:08:51,230
charitable trust act and these have been

1815
01:08:53,550 --> 01:08:52,460
referred to the New South Wales

1816
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:53,560
Department of

1817
01:08:58,110 --> 01:08:55,600
and the Attorney General's Department

1818
01:09:00,570 --> 01:08:58,120
there are substantial penalties for

1819
01:09:02,820 --> 01:09:00,580
these offenses including fines of up to

1820
01:09:06,030 --> 01:09:02,830
fifty five hundred dollars per offense

1821
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:06,040
and for some jail time of up to six

1822
01:09:11,190 --> 01:09:08,530
months these investigations are ongoing

1823
01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:11,200
and Missouri continues to plead her

1824
01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:16,450
innocence on October 26th choice

1825
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:19,030
magazine which is the consumer watchdog

1826
01:09:24,570 --> 01:09:21,850
in Australia awarded a shonky award to

1827
01:09:26,670 --> 01:09:24,580
power balance the sixty dollar piece of

1828
01:09:28,410 --> 01:09:26,680
rubber embedded with a hologram which

1829
01:09:31,530 --> 01:09:28,420
claims to improve your balance and

1830
01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:31,540
flexibility was declared a barefaced con

1831
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:33,780
by Channel Nine's a Current Affair the

1832
01:09:38,670 --> 01:09:36,730
choice website said that with some

1833
01:09:40,140 --> 01:09:38,680
reluctance we highlight the inherent

1834
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:40,150
xiong kiness of the power balance

1835
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:42,130
bracelet because when Australian

1836
01:09:46,440 --> 01:09:44,170
skeptics demonstrated that it paint Lee

1837
01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:46,450
didn't do anything subsequent sales

1838
01:09:51,870 --> 01:09:49,390
skyrocketed if a fool and his money are

1839
01:09:53,579 --> 01:09:51,880
soon parted they are apparently plenty

1840
01:09:55,470 --> 01:09:53,589
of fools out there and they're all

1841
01:09:58,350 --> 01:09:55,480
conveniently identified with a rubber

1842
01:10:01,230 --> 01:09:58,360
band bracelet here's an excerpt from the

1843
01:10:04,350 --> 01:10:01,240
awards ceremony I've heard of snake oil

1844
01:10:07,860 --> 01:10:04,360
this is the next best thing it's called

1845
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:07,870
how about now you might have seen some

1846
01:10:12,060 --> 01:10:10,210
of these things sports people wear them

1847
01:10:13,770 --> 01:10:12,070
and get paid thousands of dollars to

1848
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:13,780
wear them out she have a hologram in

1849
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:15,760
them and it said that this hologram

1850
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:18,370
resonates with one's natural energy

1851
01:10:23,170 --> 01:10:21,310
field and there's some incredible 7.83

1852
01:10:25,570 --> 01:10:23,180
herbs which is what

1853
01:10:27,460 --> 01:10:25,580
yeah that's what natural body yeah it's

1854
01:10:29,260 --> 01:10:27,470
the song of the universe or the harmonic

1855
01:10:31,810 --> 01:10:29,270
of the universe somehow it says if you

1856
01:10:34,930 --> 01:10:31,820
were these you have more power more

1857
01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:34,940
balanced more flexibility and needless

1858
01:10:40,060 --> 01:10:37,430
to say that we found that the only event

1859
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:40,070
that the power balance band has is

1860
01:10:51,850 --> 01:10:42,110
really in emptying your wallet it has no

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physical you know these are in the two

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dollar shots for for two dollars that

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might be one thing but they're sixty

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dollars or about ninety dollars for the

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pendant we really think that you know

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people should be a bit more careful with

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them cause they are friends with

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Israelis give it to a wearing versions

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of these mothers of sight placebo the

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patterning believe they may come back to

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do cost two dollars it might have

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exactly the same factory the paper

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because it does have hologram radiate

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7.3 hoods faxing an able to do so there

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is a gentleman the shonky for the

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strongest India's dumbest and

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pseudoscience contribution of the year

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and what better way to end 2010 then

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with the very first tam Australia from

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November 26 to 28 over 620 delegates 50

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speakers and across two and a half days

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of talks workshops and panels happened

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at the sydney masonic center speakers

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included dr. Rob Morrison dr. Pamela gay

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Julianne Moore Oh Steve Canaan the

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entire cast of SGU Brian Dunning Eugenie

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Scott George her AB and many many more

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Tom Australia was declared a stupendous

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success and what a fantastic way to end

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2010 of course this is by no means an

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exhaustive list of some of the

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highlights of 2010 if you'd like to

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leave a comment about today's dr. Richie

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01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:26,770
reports you can head to my blog at

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skeptics book com where I have a

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01:12:33,690 --> 01:12:31,090
slightly expanded list of highlights

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from 2010 and if you think there's

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something that I should have included

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and I haven't then please leave it in

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01:12:47,689 --> 01:12:39,730
the comments and until next time this

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this is brian dunning from sceptile calm

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skep tide is a short weekly podcast

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taking a critical look at the

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01:13:00,419 --> 01:12:58,060
pseudo-sciences that infect popular

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01:13:03,149 --> 01:13:00,429
culture whenever I'm not locked in the

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recording studio I'm listening to the

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skeptic zone on December 11 may nod went

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to the Sydney Town Hall where he found

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the small protest by people involved

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with the 911 truth movement these are

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the people who think that the attacks on

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the United States on September 11 2001

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we're orchestrated by the American

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government and other sinister agencies

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and not a terrorist act as such

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neither's and say the skeptic zone does

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not share this point of view however it

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is interesting to hear what these people

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have to say I guess it's one of the

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reasons that skeptic zone always goes to

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the mind-body wallet festival them

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saying glean what the other side of

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thinking oddly enough these people will

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proudly call themselves skeptics see

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what you think and if you're inclined to

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comment I think they give some URLs and

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let them know your feelings about the

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matter too so over to you mean on the

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latest campaign being run by the TSA and

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the US government if you if you see

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something say something I'm seeing

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something right down this a couple of

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people have the front of Sydney Town

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Hall and they're saying something well

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you're holding a war is over signed so

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who are you and why you here today good

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i may not my name is brian Concannon and

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i'm here today to help in the protest to

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try and get the truth out of why 911

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happen to who was behind it I can't say

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it's exactly a crowded event I was

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expecting at least 50 people but there's

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only a few why do you think people

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aren't coming

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I'll give it time they're late starters

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you've no doubt been called a crackpot

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before it is that a label you wear

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proudly I haven't been labeled a

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crackpot at all so when you're the

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family dinner and the subject of 911

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vaguely comes up and you fly straight

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into it what's usual reaction yeah you

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do get a negative environment response

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but I'm I've got truth on my side I've

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got facts on my side so I know I'm that

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the one shining the truth light on my

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head that the puppet sir will be the

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sheep or were they now you people

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probably watching the planes fly into

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the building when did you go hang on a

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minute what I'm being told officially

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isn't quite right what was the moment

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where you thought time was up it wasn't

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all about probably 18 months after nine

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eleven i just happen to stumble across

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stuff on the internet and that just got

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me going and from there i become a

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conspiracy theorist using that term

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people just go they conspiracy theorists

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crackpot they jump to that because they

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01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:47,710
think you're you're not thinking things

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through properly now but you haven't use

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01:15:52,740 --> 01:15:51,460
that term in fact i came up to and you

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said you're the number one conspiracy

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theorist but i thought that's a bold

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claim to making this country sir it's

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the claim i'm proud of and it's a shame

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that the government's gone on a crusade

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to paint conspiracy theorists is nutjobs

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well as in actual fact we're that the

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backbone of the truth movement and that

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this country in the world try trying to

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get peace and truth in this world that's

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all we're after can you encapsulate what

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you think the overall theory you have

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about the 911 events is how i go against

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the 911 movement here on helping out a

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bit hopefully believe in my own mind

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that it was a Mossad CIA operation FBI

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helped cover it up dick cheney george

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bush that they're all part of it from

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the start

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I believe the apprehension of the five

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dancing Israelis and the van full of

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explosives i'm enroute to the George

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Washington Bridge this is stuffed up

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Mossad's plans for the future terrorist

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acts and martial law which is what

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they're really after you have you seen

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in the agents cruise past slowly with

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the windows down you know playing the

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wrong kind of rap music that gives

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themselves we haven't notice actually no

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but I haven't been no actually looking

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for safe in numbers but we'll look as

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you can always tell the police

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undercover police with the bad haircut I

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reckon the guy cruising past with the

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bad rap music could be the one to look

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out for ya you'd be the one okay well I

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hope you get a few more people come

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along later and they in the morning to

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you thank you you may not please a

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moment tell us who you are again what

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01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:31,410
good movement is and how you got into

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this well I was at work the night it

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happened I'm an aircraft engineer for a

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large Australian airline and I'm a

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licensed aircraft maintenance engineer

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dare I what I only go it works ransom

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still wouldn't you and what got me

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01:17:45,620 --> 01:17:44,430
involved in it was there was a fellow

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that I worked with it was killed that

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01:17:49,820 --> 01:17:48,870
day Albert Dominguez but anyway I had an

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interest from the beginning obviously

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I'm someone that was in the military for

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quite some time and I had an interest in

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our military history and I just thought

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that I what I saw I didn't that up you

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know and always had questions about it

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01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:01,620
but it was until I saw the video clip of

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building 7 that i really had some big

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01:18:07,190 --> 01:18:05,280
questions and that was out of a movie

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01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:07,200
called loose change which has had some

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01:18:10,490 --> 01:18:08,640
problems with it obviously but a very

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it's had many revisions that they've

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looked into it there I found wtc7

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compelling myself looked into the

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anomalies and a lot of the ones are

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explained to me personally by looking at

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the other visions the other angles of

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the fires on all the floors on certain

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Boeing in certain areas and for me that

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led me to with an Occam's razor opinion

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01:18:30,380 --> 01:18:28,590
that little abital me that that is more

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01:18:31,580 --> 01:18:30,390
likely than the people actually own the

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01:18:33,620 --> 01:18:31,590
building blowing it up but that is

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01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:33,630
certainly not one you share ok well I

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can I can agree with your point on the

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on the Occam's razor type argument I

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look at that to myself I'm you know some

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considered to be the spokesman for the

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01:18:43,730 --> 01:18:42,450
movement in Australia and that's based

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on the fact that I'm very reasonable

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with the evidence but a hundred feet or

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two point two five seconds of pure 9.81

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meters per second squared acceleration

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of

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that building is impossible there is no

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doubt it is impossible without added

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energy period full stop no one can argue

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with that and no one has if you look at

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the graph it's actually at the same rate

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as gravity and this has been agreed to

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by NIH d the national institute of

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standards and technology and also the

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fact that we find so much molten metal

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we find spiracle line in the dust

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everywhere we find also unindicted

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nano-thermite which has been

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peer-reviewed and published in a journal

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uncontested officially it's been

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contested by people saying spurious

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01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:23,040
things like it's paint but the actual

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01:19:26,420 --> 01:19:25,170
examination of it proved that it wasn't

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01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:26,430
been great seeing the reactions of

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people as we will walk along there like

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01:19:31,370 --> 01:19:29,580
some people going what's that about some

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01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:31,380
people obviously doing a bit of a crazy

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01:19:35,810 --> 01:19:33,810
thing there but you're out there pushing

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01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:35,820
Anna point of view that generally is not

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01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:37,920
considered popular and but you've got no

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01:19:40,430 --> 01:19:39,090
problem with that now I've got that

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01:19:41,660 --> 01:19:40,440
problem at all and other thing is on the

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01:19:43,130 --> 01:19:41,670
eleventh day of every month is people

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doing this all over the world in small

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01:19:46,490 --> 01:19:44,970
groups and I find it quite moving that

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01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:46,500
people are prepared to put their time

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01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:49,050
and effort into into campaigns the lost

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01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:51,120
causes we could call it you know but at

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01:19:54,380 --> 01:19:52,890
the end of the day I'm you know we're

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01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:54,390
doing the best we can and your website

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01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:56,640
again my web personal website is

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01:20:01,520 --> 01:19:59,280
visibility 911 calm and you'll be happy

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01:20:03,770 --> 01:20:01,530
to engage with anyone there the best

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01:20:06,650 --> 01:20:03,780
website online worldwide which has the

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01:20:09,260 --> 01:20:06,660
most degree of education and also

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01:20:10,910 --> 01:20:09,270
respect for information is 911 blogger

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01:20:13,010 --> 01:20:10,920
com articles there you can comment on

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any time and you'll find the articles

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01:20:16,490 --> 01:20:14,850
thereof great great quality and I

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contribute quite a lot to that website

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01:20:19,729 --> 01:20:18,090
what do you do to relax I mean just

2104
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:19,739
let's get off topic for a moment this is

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01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:22,290
a very intense subject involving the in

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01:20:27,530 --> 01:20:25,050
the military industrial complex people

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01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:27,540
dying giant our overarching conspiracy

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01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,280
so we don't have no idea who it's from

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01:20:34,250 --> 01:20:31,440
what do you do to relax why I'm a

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01:20:36,170 --> 01:20:34,260
motorcyclist like bushwalking I've got a

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01:20:38,930 --> 01:20:36,180
you know a family two young children and

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01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:38,940
look I'm busy I may go like you know

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01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:40,050
like to do things around the house I'm

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01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:42,210
quite Andy building and fixing things

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01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:44,400
and I'm an engineer so yeah I do do lots

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01:20:47,450 --> 01:20:45,570
of things but yeah I'm pretty

2117
01:20:48,860 --> 01:20:47,460
well-balanced person but I have been

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01:20:50,540 --> 01:20:48,870
absorbed by this campaign over the last

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five years is no just people must be

2120
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:52,430
trying to paint you as someone who's not

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01:20:55,580 --> 01:20:54,330
because that would be the first thing

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01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:55,590
they would do when they hear your thing

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01:20:58,150 --> 01:20:56,850
is old what's wrong with him because

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01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:58,160
he's got this different view from

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well I don't I think you've got the

2126
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:00,950
wrong idea about what the people think

2127
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:02,450
out there may not I think you maybe need

2128
01:21:05,710 --> 01:21:04,400
to talk well no the yonkers on the denim

2129
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:05,720
is no roses because that's the first

2130
01:21:09,940 --> 01:21:07,850
thing I how the very responsible job on

2131
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:09,950
the eyewitness chairman from I in my

2132
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:12,770
workplace okay I I travel with my work

2133
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:15,770
as well I even work on some government

2134
01:21:19,060 --> 01:21:16,970
officials aircraft from time to time

2135
01:21:21,700 --> 01:21:19,070
I've got an 8 i've got a clearance okay

2136
01:21:23,380 --> 01:21:21,710
I've also I'm ex-military I'm in the RSL

2137
01:21:25,570 --> 01:21:23,390
i'm a member of the Lions Club and I'm

2138
01:21:27,370 --> 01:21:25,580
an active member of my local line Scott

2139
01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:27,380
I'm a highly respected in my community

2140
01:21:30,250 --> 01:21:28,910
and people think that I have a great

2141
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:30,260
understanding of what's going on than

2142
01:21:34,570 --> 01:21:33,110
they do in most cases most people would

2143
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:34,580
would never think that they think that

2144
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:35,810
you're living in your mom's basement or

2145
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:37,010
something like that that's what they

2146
01:21:39,460 --> 01:21:38,330
would think straight away edius tried to

2147
01:21:41,530 --> 01:21:39,470
protect us they've done that you know

2148
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:41,540
they did that with a a film that was I'd

2149
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:43,040
that came out worldwide I've recently

2150
01:21:46,270 --> 01:21:45,170
there's lots of people like myself and

2151
01:21:48,010 --> 01:21:46,280
there's lots of scientists and doctors

2152
01:21:49,570 --> 01:21:48,020
and other new Lord was the film new

2153
01:21:51,310 --> 01:21:49,580
world order here correct they portray us

2154
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:51,320
as those sorts of people you know and

2155
01:21:55,330 --> 01:21:53,600
the simple fact is that that's not the

2156
01:21:57,340 --> 01:21:55,340
sort of person I am I'm someone that's

2157
01:21:59,680 --> 01:21:57,350
compelled to act on basis of hard

2158
01:22:01,150 --> 01:21:59,690
science you know and I'm someone like

2159
01:22:02,890 --> 01:22:01,160
you could say that I'm I was a queen

2160
01:22:04,300 --> 01:22:02,900
scout all right I'm someone that helps

2161
01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:04,310
the old lady across the road right and

2162
01:22:09,380 --> 01:22:05,510
I'm trying to help the country to the

2163
01:22:12,350 --> 01:22:11,150
bad publishers of people have turned up

2164
01:22:14,330 --> 01:22:12,360
here what's your name and where you're

2165
01:22:16,010 --> 01:22:14,340
from and why you here at this rally my

2166
01:22:18,620 --> 01:22:16,020
name is Leah Hobbs I'm actually from

2167
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:18,630
northern New South Wales I've turned up

2168
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:20,130
today because I happen to be coming down

2169
01:22:25,490 --> 01:22:22,320
for a holiday we've come down here for

2170
01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:25,500
my 15 year old son Lachlan and we're

2171
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:27,420
just hoping to hand out some pamphlets

2172
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:28,890
and help in whatever way we can

2173
01:22:33,260 --> 01:22:31,050
basically support the cause in a

2174
01:22:35,150 --> 01:22:33,270
nutshell what stinks about the whole

2175
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:35,160
official version of 911 to you and let

2176
01:22:40,250 --> 01:22:38,250
do to be here today there's many

2177
01:22:42,980 --> 01:22:40,260
multitude of things that's what was the

2178
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:42,990
one thing the unr that's it oh gosh I

2179
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:44,400
think it was probably two or three years

2180
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:46,530
ago my husband's been quite big into it

2181
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:47,970
for a while and of course I was the

2182
01:22:52,180 --> 01:22:50,400
person that said no way I mean why would

2183
01:22:54,620 --> 01:22:52,190
your government do anything like that

2184
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:54,630
one big thing that really turned me is

2185
01:22:58,970 --> 01:22:56,970
probably the nano-thermite in the

2186
01:23:01,220 --> 01:22:58,980
building's been found in the rubble

2187
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:01,230
which is a high explosive I believe that

2188
01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:03,120
is impossible to find anywhere else

2189
01:23:08,090 --> 01:23:05,430
other than in high laboratories and it's

2190
01:23:09,950 --> 01:23:08,100
certainly not found in Afghanistan caves

2191
01:23:11,210 --> 01:23:09,960
or anything like that you look like

2192
01:23:13,100 --> 01:23:11,220
you're 15 you're here along with your

2193
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:13,110
mum now normally you get a reaction in

2194
01:23:15,050 --> 01:23:14,370
your teenage years so does that mean

2195
01:23:16,580 --> 01:23:15,060
you're going to grow up to be a

2196
01:23:18,710 --> 01:23:16,590
corporate right-wing lawyer after coming

2197
01:23:20,690 --> 01:23:18,720
to a 911 truth really well I'm actually

2198
01:23:23,660 --> 01:23:20,700
just a normal person I've just heard a

2199
01:23:25,370 --> 01:23:23,670
lot of information about this 911 thing

2200
01:23:27,860 --> 01:23:25,380
about from my mum and from other people

2201
01:23:29,900 --> 01:23:27,870
and I've just read up on it and I've

2202
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:29,910
seen that there's actually more behind

2203
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:31,770
it than just what the media has told us

2204
01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:33,840
and do you think they'll ever be a

2205
01:23:36,770 --> 01:23:35,490
complete resolution but because even

2206
01:23:38,900 --> 01:23:36,780
John the head of the movement their

2207
01:23:41,300 --> 01:23:38,910
records it'll be impossible to find out

2208
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:41,310
if ever who was like ahead of it or what

2209
01:23:44,750 --> 01:23:42,930
group of people or khabar was going on

2210
01:23:45,860 --> 01:23:44,760
there so I mean you are dealing with an

2211
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:45,870
issue that probably won't ever have an

2212
01:23:50,180 --> 01:23:47,850
answer yeah I agree with John there I

2213
01:23:52,580 --> 01:23:50,190
think it would be very hard to get the

2214
01:23:54,980 --> 01:23:52,590
truth out to everyone in the world

2215
01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:54,990
really because the government is just

2216
01:23:59,960 --> 01:23:57,000
doing such a great job of keeping it

2217
01:24:02,000 --> 01:23:59,970
under wraps and all we can do is try and

2218
01:24:05,210 --> 01:24:02,010
try and get as many people behind it as

2219
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:05,220
possible you must watch any news I've

2220
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:06,570
mentioned several you must mention watch

2221
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:08,250
the channel 9 news and like you must

2222
01:24:11,900 --> 01:24:10,080
look at it different to anyone who is

2223
01:24:13,820 --> 01:24:11,910
accepting what they call cans consensus

2224
01:24:15,380 --> 01:24:13,830
reality so look when you watch the news

2225
01:24:19,010 --> 01:24:15,390
what's going in the back of your mind

2226
01:24:22,450 --> 01:24:19,020
usually like them well about anything

2227
01:24:25,940 --> 01:24:22,460
you know yeah well most things are a bit

2228
01:24:28,220 --> 01:24:25,950
turned topsy-turvy around by the media

2229
01:24:30,770 --> 01:24:28,230
just to make it look better and you have

2230
01:24:33,530 --> 01:24:30,780
to just open your mind up to that and

2231
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:33,540
just believe more than what the TV says

2232
01:24:38,330 --> 01:24:36,000
because what the TV says is what you

2233
01:24:39,620 --> 01:24:38,340
want to hear so with a son like that it

2234
01:24:40,919 --> 01:24:39,630
must be really difficult to tell them to

2235
01:24:44,649 --> 01:24:40,929
do anything

2236
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:44,659
mom we don't share the same reality mom

2237
01:24:48,459 --> 01:24:46,610
I consensus reality is not the same what

2238
01:24:50,649 --> 01:24:48,469
you're imposing upon me oh he hasn't

2239
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:50,659
tried that one yet try the one lock them

2240
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:52,610
here no actually to be honest you're

2241
01:24:55,629 --> 01:24:53,840
probably getting more out of him today

2242
01:24:56,830 --> 01:24:55,639
than i normally get I talk about it all

2243
01:24:58,660 --> 01:24:56,840
the time like you've got to preach your

2244
01:25:01,060 --> 01:24:58,670
mom but it's amazing to listen to him

2245
01:25:02,049 --> 01:25:01,070
it's all garni and it's all easy and

2246
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:02,059
then he's gone away and looked at

2247
01:25:05,620 --> 01:25:04,159
evidence himself as well the best thing

2248
01:25:07,239 --> 01:25:05,630
you can tell anyone no matter what

2249
01:25:08,799 --> 01:25:07,249
political color you always go check out

2250
01:25:10,509 --> 01:25:08,809
the evidence yourself and reach your own

2251
01:25:12,189 --> 01:25:10,519
conclusion definitely that's what

2252
01:25:13,779 --> 01:25:12,199
everybody says everybody says go and

2253
01:25:16,060 --> 01:25:13,789
check it out don't take my word for it

2254
01:25:18,399 --> 01:25:16,070
but just don't take the word of the

2255
01:25:19,839 --> 01:25:18,409
media I know you can't trust me i can't

2256
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:19,849
speak for any other journalists laurie

2257
01:25:23,890 --> 01:25:22,010
oakes including but you don't believe a

2258
01:25:25,629 --> 01:25:23,900
word I say come on you can tell this is

2259
01:25:28,359 --> 01:25:25,639
a trustworthy guy in a porkers shirt and

2260
01:25:50,979 --> 01:25:28,369
our sunglasses yeah in the morning to

2261
01:25:55,969 --> 01:25:53,270
thank you for listening to the skeptic

2262
01:25:58,759 --> 01:25:55,979
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01:26:01,850 --> 01:25:58,769
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01:26:03,709 --> 01:26:01,860
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01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:03,719
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01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:07,679
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01:26:14,779 --> 01:26:11,280
Pamela gay doctor Eugenie Scott Carey i

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01:26:17,410 --> 01:26:14,789
went from skeptics and well whoever else

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01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:17,420
i can snare and grab for an interview

2270
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:20,010
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2271
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:22,320
Saunders signing off from San Francisco

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01:26:32,810 --> 01:26:28,530
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